1986 Checkmate 21' Starflite $3900 (Now Sold)

[Hot H2O]

OK the one on Florida is not on my radar screen any more....too many negatives.....

What do you all think about this one?

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32869

1989 2.4 200. Milled heads. Boysen reeds. 14" setback (RapidJack). Hotfoot throttle. Bob's nose cone. 24 Chopper. 2.5 bracket (single ram trim and external pump). w/trailer.

Boat is in good shape. Engine ran a bit hot last season but still running strong.

Located in Massapequa, NY.

I appreciate everyones comments....hopefully I'll find a good mate because of everyone here...

[This message was edited by Chris on May 06, 2003 at 04:41 PM.]

[Hot H2O]

OK the one on Florida is not on my radar screen any more....too many negatives.....

What do you all think about this one?

http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32869

1989 2.4 200. Milled heads. Boysen reeds. 14" setback (RapidJack). Hotfoot throttle. Bob's nose cone. 24 Chopper. 2.5 bracket (single ram trim and external pump). w/trailer.

Boat is in good shape. Engine ran a bit hot last season but still running strong.

Located in Massapequa, NY.

I appreciate everyones comments....hopefully I'll find a good mate because of everyone here...

[This message was edited by Chris on May 06, 2003 at 04:41 PM.]

[Bill]

IF the motor checks out okay because of getting hot, than it APPEARS to be a pretty good deal. He has the wrong set up for that boat, but that is not relavant for the sale. I would be curious to see what the deck looks like sice it was cut out of the picture. I would also make sure it is cleaned up before looking at it, to me, if someone shows a dirty boat, it can't be very well cared for.

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Email I received from owner


Hi- The boat is still available. I would say everything is about a six or seven rating. The hull is in good shape but needs a good compound and wax to lift the oxidation from last season.
The floor is solid and the black carpeting is in very good shape (covers the entire cockpit including inside the bow floor to ceiling).
The transom is solid and has a large aluminum plate. The 15" RapidJack bracket is one season old. The gearcase has a Bob's Nose Cone low water pickup. The engine had good compression at the end of last season when my mechanic
had the powerhead off to put in the new 2.5 bracket and single ram trim system. He also replaced the head gaskets as an attempt the solve the low water pressure and hi temp issue. After spending $1000 on that job I
decided I would wait until this summer to have the powerhead rebuilt instead of spending more money investigating the problem.
It is still running hot at any rpm, however it runs the coolest at WOT probably due to the extra water pressure at that speed. It does not get to the point that the overheat alarm goes off but it does run much hotter then
it did in the three prior seasons that I had the boat.

The EZ-Loader trailer is in good shape, the lights all work, and it is road
ready.

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Bill
obviously the motor need to be looked at because of the overheating...or could it be the setup of the motor?

What is wrong with the Setup? in your opinion?
thanks in advance

[Hot H2O]

Statement on S&F by owner....

I was getting 72 MPH on GPS when I first got the boat a few years ago. Now I'm just barely hitting 70 since I got the Chopper cupped. I was hoping to plane off faster with the cupping without losing top end.

My setup is different than most Starflite owners suggest. Most guys are saying to run a stock gear case a few inches below the V in order to give the prop enough bite to lift that heavy bow.

I have my propshaft about even with the V and running the surfacing Chopper and a Bob's nosecone. I never tried another prop or setup since I'm going as fast as or faster than any other Starflite I've heard of with the same power. I do need a lot of positive trim to get that speed up (but I like the rooster tail anyway!).

[Bill]

The gear case is what is slowing it down, nose cone slow the boat down below approx 82-83 mph. the owner did not mention the obvious, did he replace the water pump ot the thermostat? Did they check the water jackets for debris that could be restricting flow, a water pressure gauge could help diagnose this by seeing what pressure he is getting.

ZT 240 6.2litre 320 H.P

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Bill
What do you mean "the gear case is slowing it down"? Is his motor set to high?
I thought the "Bobs nose cone" was supposed to streamline the motor parts that were underwater??

Any other comments are appreciated....I am trying to find a "Good" Checkmate...that I can enjoy....

[Chris]

Low water pressure and overheating...can you say impeller?

It wouldn't surprise me...

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[Bill]

That is a common misnomer for the cone, it is desingned for high speed applications, because it is designed to be run at a higher height, you need a boat that does not need alot of trim to carry the bow like a tunnel or a light weight Alison or hydrostream. Checkmates are a little bow heavy and need help to fly the boat. If you have a gear case like JW's, it is designed to run lower in the water, getting more prop bite, aiding in bow lift. Have I confused you yet, not an easy thing to describe in writing for me, I do better in person, JW, can probably do a better job explaing than me over the forum... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

ZT 240 6.2litre 320 H.P

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I am assuming that he needs to drop his motor so the gearcase is a few inches below the V....this could solve his overheating if its from water starvation(right?) This also should allow the boat to run with less trim and less rooster tail(which I understand to be wasted pushing force??)

Am I getting close???
thanks again

[Bill]

Your getting very close http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The only the you need to add is the nose cone with low water pick-up need to go and put on the stock gear case, then lower the motor. Somthing is strange here, why would a mechanic do all that work from an overheating problem and not change the water pump and themostat. Those are the first things to change when you start running warm. Back to the gear case, first important thing, the nose cone is not a good design for this particular boat, the cone is a great piece given the right boat. Here is a comparison for ya'... Would I get the same corning if I put tires off of a formula one car on to my HD 2500 GMC 4X4? Absolutely not. Why, My truck is heavy and bulky, the formula one car is very light weight with extreme downforce. Now... those tires have a certain application, look at that gearcase as those race tires. Am I getting closer to helping? http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif This is why I don't teach, I am a "doer" alot better than a teacher... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

ZT 240 6.2litre 320 H.P

[Hot H2O]

Got it...I will email the owner tommorow, and ask several questions....Better pix(so I can see the front and rear deck as well as the lower hull, does he have the original gear case, did the mechanic check the water pump and water flow path...and or thermostats...I'll get the name of who works on the boat and give him a call as well....

Do you still need to have the extra low water pick up when you use the regular case?

Is the chopper prop really the "best" prop for the boat....I won't be hauling alot of people(I use the pontoon for that)...We will ski and tube...

[Bill]

Hot H2O, no, you will not need a low water pick-up, though I highly recommend a water pressure guage which you can buy for around 50 buck and it is VERY easy to put in. I think a Tempest would be the best bet for a prop.

ZT 240 6.2litre 320 H.P

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This is the last email I recieved...SALT WATER/NO THERMOSTATS....may have to pass on this one also....anyones thoughts...

The boat is black and the detailing is an orangish metal flake. I can take a few more pics this weekend.
That is the original gearcase with the Bob's nose cone added on.
***The boat has been used in salt water for at least six years.
**My mechanic replaced the water pump and looked for blockages in the heads.
Before the heat/water pressure problem I always ran with just the
thermostat housings (actual thermostat removed) and it worked great. Now I
have thermostats in there because they seem to help create more water
pressure and keep the motor a bit cooler. I'm not sure if the exaust
manifold was off or the poppet valve. I spoke to someone recently who hadthe same problem and found a piece of sea grass under the poppet valve.
It's times like this that I wish I was a mechanic because I'm not sure
exaclty what was checked and how thorough the mechanic was! I just found a great thread on Screamandfly

I only have the 24 Chopper prop.
There is no biminy top or cockpit cover (there are no snaps or holes to
indicate that it ever had a cockpit cover).

[Hot H2O]

Still thinking about this one.....the salt water usage bothers me.....as does the running without thermostats..........Thoughts anyone?

[JW]

Salt will tear up an outboard if it isn't PERFECTLY maintained. No T-stats is what the guys do when they are running motors at high rpms for long periods. The T-stats are replaced with something like a 3/8ths inch washer. You'll be putting a bunch of money into this boat too...................

1995 Pulsare 2100BR/1995 Mercury Promax 225 2.5 EFI/ 1.87:1 Torquemaster/ RapidJack Heavy-Duty manual 10.5" setback/ 23" Tempest (worked for hole-shot)

[Hot H2O]

Thanks. for the info...I kinda figured there was only a couple of reasons not to run with thermostats...and neither reason was GOOD NEWS...
Well...I'll keep looking...at least I'm not high and dry...I have water transportation....just not anything that will make what hair I have left lay straight back

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This Boat has sold...but not to me

[Chris]

Thanks H20, I'll alter the title. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

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