Paint help on 89 Predictor

[Adam L.]

I am new to the site. Just found it the other day. I am the original proud onwer of an 89 predictor w/ a 115 merc. After 17 seasons on being in the water from may till oct., and several wet sand and compounds later, its now time for some new paint. THe boat is completely stripped of all interior, carpet, gauges, etc. I am planning on replacing the rub rail also. I need some advice on painting. What products to use, were to get them, how hard it is to do, etc. I live in VT., and the boat is used on Mousam Lake in Shapleigh ME.

[jgreen]

http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/welcome.gif

Welcome to the board, if you look through the forums you will find lots of information on refinishing and advice from other guys who have been there and done that. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Boston Predictor]

Hey there its nice to see someone with the same boat! lets see some pics.
this might help (http://checkmate-boats.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/5951067833/m/6591088522)

[Blizz]

There's lots of contrversy about painting a boat that will be left in the water for very long periods of time because it tends to blister and peel. If it's in the water all the time you should really look into a regell and then paint any graphics above waterline.

[Adam L.]

Thanks for the info. This weekend we stripped the boat completely and flipped it over to begin sanding. I am replacing everything. carpet, seats, paint, rubrail, etc. I am probably getting new power also. I took pleanty of pics so I will post them once my wife shows me how. (Iam am kind of computer stupid)

[cooperider]

Adam, if the wife cant get them posted for you email them to me and I will put them up. barrycooperider@yahoo.com

If you are gonna be repowering, let me know what you want for the old motor.

[Adam L.]

thanks. if I have any problems I will email them to you. They are on my computer at home and I am at work so I will try and post them tonight. As far as the engine goes I will let you know if I am planning on getting a new one. Its an 89 115 merc. and I am the original owner of it. I run a Land and Sea jack plate and have 2 props. A 22 pitch,and a 26 pitch chopper. It runs about 60-62mph with the 26.

[Boston Predictor]

great
I can't wait to see some pics. I love the 89 predictor http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/beer1.gif

[Adam L.]

Here are the pictures of my checkmate (after being stripped)

Front Angle (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest025.jpg)

[cooperider]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest025.jpg

[Adam L.]

hey, how did you get that up like that. I can only post the URL. I have other pics I want to post.

[cooperider]

There is a little tool bar at the top of the reply screen. Left click on the second button from the right,(looks like a little pic) paste the line in there and hit ok, then post it.

There are some better directions than that at the begining of a couple of the forums.

[Adam L.]

Okay I think I got it.
Here is a shot of the interior after it was stripped.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/3534c1e6.jpg

[Adam L.]

Good-bye old bubble letters. Check out the blisters and the waterline
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/13d23a07.jpg

[Adam L.]

The tired 115 merc.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/8f0e2156.jpg

[Adam L.]

The boat off the trailer and outside
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest030.jpg

[cooperider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adam Leland:
Good-bye old bubble letters. Check out the blisters and the waterline
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/13d23a07.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats some nasty water damage, got something similar on my "83, you definatly need a re-gel.

[Adam L.]

Side view off the trailer. Check out my Eliminator in the backround
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest032.jpg

[Adam L.]

Here's one of the guys. My Dad on the left, me in the center, and my brother on the right.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest039.jpg

[Adam L.]

Here's the bottom. 17 years of sitting from may till october in the water. Lots of blistering.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest040.jpg

[Adam L.]

In the garage ready to start sanding.
The big question is, what color to paint it. Any suggestions?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest048.jpg

[Adam L.]

Another shot of the nose.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest012.jpg

[Adam L.]

Thats all I have for pics right now. I will post more as the project progresses.

[Boston Predictor]

I have always wanted to see a black tribal flame paint job on a white predictor but thats alot of work and you have to have the design plan worked out first.
If you want to keep it simple go for a solid base color and use one or two other colors for a dual or single stripe design to match the seats.

I love the colors of my predictor. white, navy blue and light blue. light blue looks really nice.

A nice ruby red with a white base looks great too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/checkmate414/mike1.jpg

In my opinion white is a good start. once you have the base sprayed you can make any design by taping off the areas that you want to spray with another color.

[Adam L.]

Ya I like the navy and light blue also. I have some light blue on mine, but I am ready for a change. wont white be hard to keep clean. I leave the boat in the water. I was thinking of maybe a red base with black and white stripes, gray and red seats, and maybe gray carpet. I am not the most color coordinated person so that might look like crap.

[Boston Predictor]

No you're right Adam. I forgot that you keep it in the water, so white would be hard to keep clean. that is nasty water damage...
Red and black always look good together but instead of white i'de go with a bright silver. it's less of a contrast with black but when it's next to the black it looks awsome. keep us posted with the progress.

[Adam L.]

What should I use to strip the bottom. I was thinking about a plam sander with 60 grit paper. How deep should I be going with it. Would it be better to use a belt sander or grinder? I know that I need to go deep enough to get rid of the blisters.



http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatrest040.jpg

[Adam L.]

fyi, This is what I was thinking for the paintjob. Something close to this.http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/redmate2.jpg

[Boston Predictor]

cool so you like the silver instead of white idea http://www.checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/thumb.gif

[Adam L.]

ya, probably a better idea than the white.

[cooperider]

You should see what those sailboat guys do to get rid of their blisters. They have machines that peel all the gelcoat off all the way down to the glass, then they build it back up from there.

The only way to totally get rid of the blisters, it would have to go all the way to the glass. You can however sand it really good and this will basically sand the tops of the blisters off. But they will return within a few seasons. Maybe quicker if you leave it in the water all the time.

[Boston Predictor]

what about sanding the hell out of the hull and taking a grinder to the deep blisters and then re surfacing the whole hull with bondo?

[Adam L.]

I got info from west marine on repairing blisters. It totally confussed me. I talked to a rep. from Bluewater marine paint and he said that with their blister repairing primer all you need to do is sand the bottom with 80 grit and then put a few coats of the primer on it. Is he full of it?

[cooperider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Boston Predictor:
what about sanding the hell out of the hull and taking a grinder to the deep blisters and then re surfacing the whole hull with bondo? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No not bondo. Use duraglass, or a marine filler, anything but bondo(if the bondo you are talking about is autobody filler). You could use bondo on the top, but not on the bottom, especially since this one will sit in the water most of the time.

[cooperider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adam Leland:
I got info from west marine on repairing blisters. It totally confussed me. I talked to a rep. from Bluewater marine paint and he said that with their blister repairing primer all you need to do is sand the bottom with 80 grit and then put a few coats of the primer on it. Is he full of it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It would last a lot longer with it than without it. If gelcoat can be sprayed over it use it. As much as you keep that boat in the water you are screwed no matter which way you go. The blisters will come back.
So I would sand it. If the primer is compatible use that. Then Gelcoat it. Should last for several years.

[175checkmate]

I was looking at the same thing when I was trying to deside what to paint the boat with. WILDMAN uses house of kolor. I priced that stuff and about had a cow. Starting looking for boat paint and came across this site. The pant is made for the marine application. A bunch cheaper than automotive paint. The epoxy primer is a 2 part primer and made for fiberglass. They where real helpfull on the phone. The trimate is going to be yellow and black. I opened a can of the yellow to check the color and WOW going to need sunglasses with this paint. Here is the web site. http://www.nationalpaintsupply.com/vsite/vnavsite/page/...102-nav-list,00.html (http://www.nationalpaintsupply.com/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4682-123795-125102-nav-list,00.html)

[Boston Predictor]

I just checked out the site. looks good. Do you have to spray a clear coat on after or is it like a single stage?
I also have a paint project comming up and was wondering if anybody knows if there is a good "how to" site that really gets into details about custom work such as flames and masking?

[175checkmate]

Boston, the paint is a 2 stage epoxy. No clear needed.

[Boston Predictor]

thanks,175...when are you gonna post more pics and details in your trimate overhaul thread?

[Adam L.]

ya, I was impressed with their paint also. I actually just got a package in the mail from them yesterday with all the colors. They were also very helpful on the phone when I called. I am a bit tenative on using gelcoat because I have never done it before. Years ago I restored an old 10' GW Invader and used a 2 part epoxy paint. It came out great and lasted for a while. I know that it will probably start blistering again in a few years, but that will just give me a chance to repaint it another color when I get sick of the red.

[Adam L.]

cool, Im not a WANABE anymore!

[cooperider]

Congrats on the non-newbie status. If you are hesitant about the gel, go ahead and paint with what you know. Then find you another one of those Invaders and try gel on it.

I am actually thinking of using urathane paint on the '78 Predictor I have, just for fun. http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/surf.gif

[Adam L.]

ya, I do need to find another little Invader. My wife is due Jan 2nd. with my firt kid. If he is anything like me he will want his own boat by the time he is 3. This time I think I will go with a playmate though.

[Adam L.]

Is gel hard to do? Also, is it super expensive?

[cooperider]

With gel the prep is quicker, but the final finishing takes longer. Not real expensive.

You prep to about 180-220 grit. Then after you you are done spraying you have to sand, starting at 320,400,600,1000,etc. Then Buff.

With regular paint you prep to like 400. Then after its sprayed, you could live with what you got, or finish with, 600,1000,1200,1500. Then Buff.

So its kind of a flip of the coin really.

[Adam L.]

Hey 175,
I cant wait to hear how the primer and paint works for you. Which primer and paint did you go with? They suggested the 8000a/b primer, and the uraglow topside paint. Did you have that color mixed by them? The color sheet they sent me only had 30 colors.

[cooperider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adam Leland:
Hey 175,
I cant wait to hear how the primer and paint works for you. Which primer and paint did you go with? They suggested the 8000a/b primer, and the uraglow topside paint. Did you have that color mixed by them? The color sheet they sent me only had 30 colors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>None of us can wait for that. We have been waiting forever for him to finish. The primer that he does have on it is about to have a birthday I think. http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/xxrotflmao.gif

[175checkmate]

Adam,
I went with the following
Primer. BWUE1000 2 part epoxy primer 3 gals of part A and 3 gal of part B
Thinner/reducer 974 3 gal
Dewaxer 973 G 2 gal.

Paint.
Uraglow 2-part marine topside urethane enamel
BW9300K super jet black 1 gal
BW82526K Yellow 3 gal
Uraglow reducer BWUE4000 3 gal.
All this shipped to the door by the UPS guy that likes me so much for $810

I may have a bit to much paint, but I did not want to run out.
I did not have them mix the color. The shade of yellow was what I was looking for.

Coop? You are right on the money my man. Its birthday time for the primer thats on there. LOLOLOLOL.

[cooperider]

5 gallon bucket of Gel Coat: $275
4 gallon case of Duratec: $269
1 gallon of clear MEKP: $37.50
5 gallon of Acetone: $50
Then wetsand till you have no fingerprints. Then buff.

Gus, that boat has been upside down almost as long as it has been rightside up.

[175checkmate]

Very true coop. Going to get the plastic today so I can tent the garage. There may be some epoxy primer getting shot real soon. Have just about given up on the buddy that was going to shoot it. Can't seem to get together at the right time. If he shoots it I will have less sanding. If I shoot it, more sanding. The outcome is the same.

[Adam L.]

the rep from blue water paint said that I would probably need about 3 gallons of primer and 3 gals of the paint.
How many coats of finish are you planning to do 175?

[175checkmate]

I am planning on about 3 coats. It will all depend on how it lays down over the light grey primer.

[Chris]

Epoxy is REALLY strong smelling Gus. I sell lots of it at the store mostly for industrial work. We supply paint to entire complexes, warehouses, condos you name it. A lot of it goes for painting exposed steel beams or floors. And it can be really, really strong. Make sure you get a proper respirator with the proper filters. They should provide a data sheet with the paint. I sell 3M masks at the store. And their filters for epoxys are normally charcoal and it doesn't hurt to put the particulate filter over top of the charcoal cartridges. You should not be able to smell the paint if the mask is fitted properly. If you can, it might not be fitted correctly, or the charcoal filters could be worn out. Some of our painters have to change their filters more than once a day when they work with certain products.

Be careful and stay safe you guys!

[Chris]

A few respirator tips...

To make sure your mask fits...

Take off the cartridges. Put the mask on and get someone to cover the inlets where the air comes into the mask. On a 3M mask, their is a round hole on the left and right hand side of the mask. While your partner is covering the inlet holes, attempt to breathe in, and if you can get air, you have leaks in your mask. You need to check and see why the mask is leaking. You might be able to adjust it to eliminate the air leaks, or you may have the wrong size mask for your nose and face. If it's the wrong size, you need to go get yourself a new mask that fits.

If you end up in the market for a mask...try looking for a silicone mask. Silicone masks are softer and more flexible and adjust to the contours of your face more easily than a regular mask. That makes them more likely to fit without leaks. And because they're silicone, they can usually be cleaned easier as the paint doesn't stick to them as well. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

-Lastly, as I mentioned in my previous post, make sure you have the proper cartridges. A respirator will have different cartridges for particulate and vapours. Many novice painters don't know that. For particulate you typically use the paper filters, these masks keep out dust. For vapour, you typically will use a charcoal cartridge with your mask. In some cases you can also put the particulate element over the charcoal cartridge which helps to keep the dust out of it and help prolong with charcoal filters which are a lot more expensive than the paper filters. Always check what you're spraying and see what you will need for the job. Better safe than sorry.

Always remember, if you can smell the paint, something is wrong. You have leaks or your filters are wearing or worn out. That's the time to change them or check the fit.

Happy painting! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[175checkmate]

Great post Chris. I thought about that yeasterday when I was looking at the supplies I need for the job. Looked at the old resporator that I have had for years and decided I needed a new one.
I bought the 3m mask. Bought the cartridge for epoxy. A bit on the pricy side but well worth it.
How you described testing your mask is right on.

[Adam L.]

Good tips Chris,
I actually work in the Mold Remediation business and know all to well the importance of respirator's. I do not even allow my employees to have facial hair because it can cause leaks.
The shop that my business is in use to be an auto body place, so I am fortunate to have access to a spray booth which they so kindley left there. All the fans still work. Lucky me.

[Chris]

A clean shaved face is preferred. Some of the guys I know also put some vaseline on their faces. I think that's partially to make the paint come off easier, but a few have also told me they think it helps the respirator seal a bit better around their face. I'm not sure if works, but it's something they do.

Sorry to spam up the thread. I work with epoxys a lot hence the slightly off topic posts.

[Checkmateking]

I am brand new to this site, and had to reply to this Overhaulin' page. It's great to see someone restoring a great boat like the predictor. I believe I have seen this boat before & the Eliminator. I am a resident of N.H. but cross the boarder into Maine for day trips. How long do you think a complete restoration will take? I did some major work on my 89 Sportfire a year ago, and now wish I had found this site. I might have tried some things myself rather than paying mucho $$$ for someone else to regel my boat. I had the same problem with Blisters. Did Checkmate ever do any type of recall on it? I started noticing it about 2 years after I bought it? Just wondering. Keep up the good work

[Adam L.]

welcome Checkmateking.
I was actually wondering if checkmate would have done anything about the hull. My showed visiable water damage after 2 years also. Good to hear from someone in my nek of the woods Here is a pic of the Eliminator

[Adam L.]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/34535675232327Ffp473Dot3E23443D8693.jpg

[Adam L.]

New pics of the sandinghttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/sand2.jpg

[Adam L.]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/sand5.jpg

[Adam L.]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/sand4.jpg

[Adam L.]

Checkmateking,

I am planning on having the boat finished and in the water by MAY

[Boston Predictor]

Great job so far Adam. Looks like you know what you're doing. Keep it up.
Do you plan on blueprinting the hull? and what color did you decide on? red/silver/black, or are you gonna go for the yellow?
I think yellow,white and black would look awsome http://www.checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/thumb.gif
Ive got a a small project for my predictor too. I'm gonna chop and lower the windshield a few inches to smooth it out a bit, as well as the flip up bow light and cleats. http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/surf.gif

[Adam L.]

Honestly I have got no clue what I am doing, but I glad it looks like I know. I think we are still going with the red/silver/blk.

[cooperider]

Well you are gonna definatly not have those blisters again. Not for a long time.

[Boston Predictor]

can't wait to see the finished product.
any other pictures of what this thing used to look like back in the day? or interior pics?

[Checkmateking]

The color scheme sounds great. When I had my Sportfire regelled I had it done with the same original black metal flake, but I had some dark gray ghost flames done. I wanted it to look like my Harley Fatboy. I would love to post some pictures, but I am in the dark ages and don't have a digital camera. Maybe I should go buy one, because watching your boat on-line makes me wish I had done MY boat myself.
What are you going to do for power. A good friend of mine is upgrading from a Pro-Max 150 to a 2.5 on his Hydrostream, and may be looking to off-load it. I bet a 150 would make your boat fly.
Keep it up

[Adam L.]

checkmateking,
I have actually been asking around about a 150promax. Please let me know if he wants to sell my emai is adam@svmaaa.com

[Adam L.]

Bostonpredictor,
I will try to dig up some old pics and scan them. We bought the boat new in 1989 from Bill's outboard in Hingham,MA.

[Boston Predictor]

Cool.
I wish i knew where mine came from...i wonder if its the same place... All i know is Im the third owner.
The 150 is a good idea. It'll be a good rival for my boat http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
If you're ever in mass let me know maybe we can go for a rip run http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/surf.gif
I wouldnt want to race the eliminator though. Maybe when i have my Allison ready. I'm thinkin of hangin a 300 on the back. I would love to get that thing over 100!

[Adam L.]

new sanding pictureshttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatsanding_8.jpg

[Adam L.]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatsanding_013.jpg

[Checkmateking]

Looking good. How many hours have you logged to get that far? Are you solo, or are you getting much help?

[Adam L.]

me, my father, and my brother. not sure how many hours, but it will be in the water come may.

[Boston Predictor]

Glad to see this boat's comming along just fine. Keep it up Adam, It's all gonna be worth it when your new boat is new again.

What are you using to strip the hull, and do you think the the metal flake be harder to sand?
Geoff-

[Adam L.]

I am using a belt sander with 60 grit and then following-up with an orbital sander. Not sure if its the proper way, but it seems to be working for me. I am not expecting the flake to be harder, however I am not going as deep on the parts that are out of the water and dont have water damage.

[Checkmateking]

Once the bottom of the boat is done, how are you going to get it flipped back over without damaging your new paint? Seems to me you may want to consider using a fork lift to lift it safely back onto the trailer. I had to do that with one of my boats. The axle on the trailer I was using broke on the highway and we had to lift the boat onto a flatbed. All you need is a relative that has a forklift or skid steer. Just make sure you put round pipes around the forks and then heavily pad them with some old carpet or carpet pad.
It would be a real shame to scratch it after you put all those hours in.

[cooperider]

Roll it over on blankets and then lift it up with an engine hoist.

[Adam L.]

my cousin has a skid steer we are using.

[Checkmateking]

That should make life easier. When my trailer fell apart I had actually just bought the boat. It was a Mirage(Similar to an STV), light blue, with a 200 Mariner on it. It was about 12 years ago, and I had to drop another couple grand on a new trailer. What a pain, but the boat was pretty fast. Keep up the good work on this.

[Adam L.]

wow, I took a test ride in a blue mirage with a 200 mariner on it about that long ago down in Mass. Where did you get the boat from?

[Checkmateking]

I bought it from a guy that lived in Mass somewhere. I really can't remember, but I test drove it on a little pond in Wenham, MA. The boat was great, but I blew the engine the 1st season with it. Then I got a Merc 200 and almost killed myself going into the wind. My wife made me get rid of the "Death Trap". I went to the Checkmate from there, and I love these boats. 85 mph is fun, but jumping all over the lake at 68mph is a blast too. And you don't have to worry about blowing over.

[Adam L.]

Thats the boat we test drove. It was on a little lake in Wenham Mass. The guy was at the Boston Boat show with it.
I remember that it was not set up to good. It had a manual jack plate that was set up to high, and the motor didnt have a nose cone/low water pick-up. It was a nice boat. You have to be pretty brave and EXPERIENCED to run a boat like that. I went from a checkmate at 60mph, to a nordic tunnel with a 200 at 80 mph, to the eliminator at 100mph. You have to be careful with the wind and the trim, but its a blast. Still love the checkmate though.

[Checkmateking]

That's amazing. Yeah, I saw the boat listed at the Boston Boat Show. What a small world. I actually put a land & sea jack plate on it, and had a low water pick up put on up in Hooksett, NH. It definately helped, but the engines hours were numbered from the start. Like all high end speed boats you have to know that going in to it though.

[Adam L.]

I just dug up a picture of the mirage that I took when we took it out. I will scan it at work tomorrow so you can see. By the way we bought the eliminator from performace boats in Hookset. It is a small world indeed.

[Adam L.]

A real poor picture, but is this your boat? The film was developed in Nov of 1992.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/IMG_7022.jpg

[Adam L.]

Did some more sanding onthe boat. Its coming along.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boatsanding_016.jpg

[Boston Predictor]

When are you gonna shoot the primer?
Also I remember you mentioned that this is going to be a complete resto job... are you going to get the interior from checkmate or have your exsisting seats re upholstered?
this should really be something special when you are done. i cant wait to see it finished.

[cooperider]

You might as well sand the rest of the blue off, so it dont leave a line and builds up easily all at once.

[Adam L.]

I am having the seat re-upholstered by a guy in maine. Just bought a new compressor and spray gun, but havent ordered paint/primer yet. It will be a little while, still got pleanty to keep busy with.

Coop,
Probably should sand the whole thing huh, that gelcoat is thick stuff.

[Boston Predictor]

couldnt you just blend the gel with a sander? It seems like it would work fine

[Adam L.]

thats what I was originally planning to do. It is the bottom of the boat, no one will really see it.

[Checkmateking]

Looks like my old boat. That's crazy. I told my wife about it, and she was amazed. She told me that you probably thought I was afraid to run it up, but I know you wouldn't think that. Because we both like boats that go fast!! There's nothing like running up a tunnel hull.
I spoke to my friend with the vking, and he is definately updating his engine. The Pro-Max has about 100 hours on it, nose cone, low water p/u, and he said he would include the thottle box. The only problem with it is a malfunctioning alarm in the box. It beeps a lot, even when you don't need oil. You have to either disconnect the alarm, or deal with it. Once you get up to speed it's not that annoying.

[Adam L.]

thats funny my throttle box now does the same thing.
I will have to think about it, how much does he want for it? Things are kind of tight right now, my wife is having a baby sometime this month.

[Adam L.]

My checkmate and my wife. (before the resoration and before the pregnancy) http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
This was taken in 2000 I think. Well before I had a digital camerea. My scanner stinks so the quality is not very good.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/boat.jpg

[Checkmateking]

How's the boat coming, It's been a while since we have seen any progress.
Have you decided whether you are going to sand the rest of the gel on the bottom?

[Adam L.]

You should know Checkmateking!!!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/aaleland/edited.jpg

[Adam L.]

I found out that CheckmateKing was my Brother playing a joke on me. The part that sucked the most was that there is no 150promax for sale.

[Boston Predictor]

That's a funny joke he played...he even had the same problem w/ the beeping control box http://checkmate-boats.com/graemlins/devil.gifDoes he really have a sportfire or is that a joke too? anyways hows the boat? any primer yet?

[Adam L.]

No he doesnt have a sportfire, he made it all up. No primer yet but the seats have gone out to upholstry.