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Hey Kip, When my computer crashed I lost your E-mail address, so I hope you get this. Just curious, Since Rick is supposed to have my 240 for his show in March which is just about 4 weeks away, have you had a chance to start mine yet. You can wipe the smile off of your face from reading I lost you address. Too bad for you though, I stiil have your phone number. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Just a little anxious Bill? I'd feel the same way so I can't say much... When did you actually order the boat? Hope it gets to you soon...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Yes, I am very anxious, and getting nervous. I was told that is was initially going to be started the middle of Jan. so Rick could have it for his show in Green Bay the begining of March. To my understanding, they need 4 weeks to build the boat and we are just at 4 weeks to the start of the show, and I am supposed to pick it up to bring home about two weeks after that. I actually gave Rick my old boat and did the paperwork the beginning of Dec but did not want the boat delivered until middle of March. I normally have bad luck with stuff like this, but so far so good, and I hope it stays that way. I can be difficult to deal with as a customer. I am not only anxious, but very picky too.
It is better to be dofficult and picky then to not get what you want...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Chris
02-13-2003, 10:51 AM
Bill,
check your email....
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Chris
02-13-2003, 09:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill:
Thanks Chris! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You're welcome! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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175checkmate
02-14-2003, 09:47 AM
I can't wait to see pictures of the new boat. Should be real nice.
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Give Checkmate/Kip a call and get him to take pictures and at least tell you what stage the boat is in... Still can't wait...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Sh**, I can't even get an answer to if the boat was started, let alone ask for pictures!
Why won't anyone answer... Can't you just call the Checkmate number and ask them about any ZT's being made... With yours being custom, it shouldn't be too hard to find...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Hey Z,
Finally got an answer! Has not been started nor do they have a date when it will be started. Somewhere along the line someone must have given me some irronious dates. The stories don't match up! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Can anything go right for you? I wonder who was telling you all the bullsh!t about the dates... When did you order it again?
Too bad to hear...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
I ordered it the beginning of Dec and was told that Bill Combs said it was going into production in the beginning of January, than it is next week, than next week and so on...
Having Fun... All the hassles of a new boat, but they pay off in the end... Weird...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Does p!$$ed off work too... ???
Yeah, I probably would not be so pissd if everything wasn't getting all screwed up at once! I just take the culmination of everything and it escalates every problem!
Such is life I guess...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Nothing God, you can see my thoughts on your logo in ask the experts under the ZT 220 catagoty http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif
Hey God, maybe you can answer this for me since knowone else can. On my 240 that might never be built, what brand of steering is it, I did not get the hydraulic, just the standard steering. I want to know because I want to put a billet steering hub adapter and MOMO wheel from Livorsi Marine on, but I do not know if the hub is compatible. I e-mailed Mate a couple of weeks ago and never heard back. I was having problems with e-mail, so I can only assume my message never made it http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Thanks for the honesty, I will probably just wait until I see the boat for myself. I have never even seen this model completed in person yet. What a sucker I am, Huh?
Rick is about impossible to get in touch with now because of shows and running back and forth to C-mate. One negative about Checkmate is do NOT believe thew brochure, very inaccurate.
Chris
02-14-2003, 11:37 PM
Geez, silly me, I thought this was the Checkmate fan site? http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
According to my brochures it lists the standard steering as "Teleflex tilt steering with a custom wheel".
The optional steering is listed as "Mayfair hydraulic steering".
Feel free to return to the bash fest now.... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
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so sorry for stating the truth, the brochure also states that I can get Keikafer controls, which is not true. How do you improve a company without a little criticism Chris.
Chris, I think you are detecting frustration, not bashing here, you should no what I think about Checkmate and the people who work for them. They are one of the only boats I would ever buy. Kip, Mike, and Bill are a great bunch of people and a pleasure to work with, but you have to admit, and I think you should know this, their brochure is horrible, it is not accurate, nor does it even list all of their models. How long have the 2003 been out? can you get a 2003 brochure yet? You know the answers to this. Does Checkmate lose customer because of this? You Bet! But those of us who know about the company, continue to buy their product because they are one of the best out there. The 240 will be my 4th Checkmate and I am driving back and forth 6 hours each way to a dealer to buy the boat in addition to driving 8 hours each way to the factory to figure out how I want the boat built. Does that sound like a basher? No, just someone who wants things done right. People make mistake and should be able to take some criticism for that and not get their feeling hurt, and if you do get your feelings hurt, get the hell out of the way so someone better can do the job!
Every part of what he said was true... They seem to be making their buisness very sloppy now... I'm sorry to say, but I think I might stick with personal sales of used Checkmates rather then dealing with a new one... I don't want to go through all that hassle for nothing when I can spend less money on a good boat!
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Z, I think the key is to find the right dealer, unfortunately, Rick is very busy now with making his dealership grow, so I can't reach him like I used to be. But, you know what, this is boat show season, and I know what dealerships go through this time of year. I am not as dumb as some think! I think you are making a mistake by not looking for a new boat also, but like I said before, the key is trusting the person who you will but it from. Let me make this clear to all, I trust Rick and the guys at Checkmate, but I can still get frustrated because of a communication breakdown, Sh**, that is what my degree is in, so I am a stickler on crossing t's and dotting i's. So many people I do business now a days just don' give a sh** anymore, and in my honest opinion, the Combs' family is still one that does!
I don't have any good dealers near me... Many people have told me Pride of Muskoka prices way to high and I don't feel like spending 40K on a new Pulsare when I could get a great boat from Jim or any other boat... I am like that with cars, I know this person very well, in which I have bought almost all my vehicles from, around 30 since I was old enough to drive, and I trust his opinion fully. Checkmate, is something I don't want to mess with...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
And... when you are spending that kind of money, you want it done right. I still say, you should buy Jim's and run http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I garuntee, if I was spending 65 grand U.S. (retail) on a car, no questions would go unanswered!
Chris
02-15-2003, 12:50 AM
Well, what we all love about Checkmate is the quality of their boats.
Unfortunately, in the big scheme of things, they're a relatively small company. But hey, if they weren't small, they probably wouldn't be willing to do some custom graphics like they are going to do for you on your boat. And I doubt if they were huge, if you'd ever be talking to the president about an expected build date for your boat.
As for the criticism of the delay of their new catalogues and the quality of the current one, what's the big deal?
So the 2003 catalogue isn't out yet.
Do I want a copy?
Hell ya!
But let's face it, most of the boats haven't changed that much, if at all, anyway. And given the fact Checkmate is in the process of building some brand new models, perhaps they are delaying it to add those to the catalogue. Dunno?
As for a few inaccuracies in the catalogues, so some dingbat somewhere missed a couple of things before it went to print. Hey, **** happens! That's life! Just take a look at all the typos in our posts!
Personally, I'd rather have Bill and the boys spending their time worrying about creating awesome boats, then creating fancy brochures. It sure seems to me that the guys who have to have those fancy brochures, often need them to make up for their mediocre boats.
That's just my .02 cents.
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I don't have much time to decide... I was away for the night, did he finally put it up for sale? He was debating before I left... I agree again, for that kind of money, you want it done right, even if time takes forever... 65K on a car, none of us should be worrying about that any time soon... I like my Avalanche better...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris:
Well, what we all love about Checkmate is the quality of their boats.
Unfortunatly, in the big scheme of things, they're a relatively small company. But hey, if they weren't small, they probably wouldn't be willing to do some custom graphics like they are going to do for you on your boat. And I doubt if they were huge, if you'd ever be talking to the president about an expected build date for your boat.
As for the criticism of the delay of their new catalogues and the quality of the current one, what's the big deal?
So the 2003 catalogue isn't out yet.
Do I want a copy?
Hell ya!
But let's face it, most of the boats haven't changed that much, if at all, anyway. And given the fact Checkmate is in the process of building some brand new models, perhaps they are delaying it to add those to the catalogue. Dunno?
As for a few inaccuracies in the catalogues, so some dingbat somewhere missed a couple of things before it went to print. Hey, **** happens! That's life! Just take a look at all the typos in our posts!
Personally, I'd rather have Bill and the boys spending their time worring about creating awesome boats, then creating fancy brochures. It sure seems to me that the guys who have to have those fancy brochures, often need them to make up for their mediocre boats.
That's just my .02 cents.
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I agree with most of that. Who really cares about the brochure if you could go to a dealer or show and see them in person... But for the mistakes, it goes through alot of people and mixing up companies isn't too good when you are one of them... They do make awesome boats... I can't disagree. They are one of the best companies out there for what they make...
We all make mistakes in the game of life, WHO CARES...
Z06...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Chris
02-15-2003, 12:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chevy Corvette Z06:
Every part of what he said was true... They seem to be making their buisness very sloppy now... I'm sorry to say, but I think I might stick with personal sales of used Checkmates rather then dealing with a new one... I don't want to go through all that hassle for nothing when I can spend less money on a good boat!
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup...no bashing there!
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That is right God, just the truth. Chris, the brochure thing has been going on for years with Checkmate. Nothing to you, big deal to many. When dealerships do not stock boats, how do you sell them, by brochure. I guess you need to see the business from the "other side" to understand what I am talking about. You are right about the small company, That is why I am not buying a Baja. Custom Graphics, Hardly, although they arte nice enough to do a special mix of purple mist and black mist. Nothing new to Checkmate though. Something they have been doing for years. I just happen to be a freak who likes matal flake so I asked for some to be mixed into the gel. Because the brochure sais subject to change means things will and do change, that is why I ask questions about what brands will be put in the boat. I should not have to rely on God to Answer though.
Also Chris, somthing I think you do not understand, I used to work for a dealership that sells thes boats and I understand what I used to battle against certain relativly small problems. We are a media and print driven society, why the hell do you think we are on this forum, and when you release your info 6 monthes later than most other, it can scare people away. Plain and simple, Checkmate is NOT for everyone, Hey, it is for me, what else do you want. At least I did not buy that eliminator that Stephanie fell in love with!
Chris
02-15-2003, 01:32 AM
OK God...
We're all ready for the truth.
Who are you?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chevy Corvette Z06:
Every part of what he said was true... They seem to be making their buisness very sloppy now... I'm sorry to say, but I think I might stick with personal sales of used Checkmates rather then dealing with a new one... I don't want to go through all that hassle for nothing when I can spend less money on a good boat!
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup...no bashing there!
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IS that supposed to be sarcasm??? Anything has problems now... I agree, when you can't look at the boat in person, because the dealers don't have ever model in stock, you get a brochure where you choose what you want. If you want something that isn't really there, one might get frustrated...
I also don't really see anyone bashing Checkmate other then there brochure. They are a great company but when it comes to brochures, NO...
God, We do have freedom of speech... I don't know where you are but it should be the same...
Why post a private thread when you get more opinions out here... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Have Fun...
Z06
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175checkmate
02-15-2003, 10:08 AM
Bill, Did you get a build/order number with the boat? If so I would think you should be able to call checkmate and give them the build number. There should be (I would think) and build sheet on your boat with everthing thats supposed to be in it or installed on it. They should be able to give you a status of the boat.
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Thats if you are able to contact them. If you read above, he said it probably hasn't even been started yet...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Gus, I was told a build sheet was done, but I was also told the boat was going to be started in the early parts of Jan at first. The boat has not been started, and according to Kip, it has not even been scheduled for a start date.
175checkmate
02-15-2003, 10:55 AM
Sorry to hear that, it has to be frustrating, I would be a little peved also. Summer is comming fast.
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Doesn't seem to be coming fast enough. Today, in Ottawa, its -32-3 with the windchill. Damn it cold. It sucks to hear that though. Did they tell you any reasons for the delay?
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Chris
02-15-2003, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill:
Gus, I was told a build sheet was done, but I was also told the boat was going to be started in the early parts of Jan at first. The boat has not been started, and according to Kip, it has not even been scheduled for a start date.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Who told you?
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Chris,
Rick told me that he sat down with Kip and filled out a build sheet, but Kip said that a completion or start Date was never discussed and I need to get together with Rick to figure that out. Rick and I discussed that extensively in Dec and Jan because Rick wanted my 240 to display at a show he will be in in Green bay March 14th-16th. Then I was to go pick up the boat and give Rick the rest of the Money the last week in March, or if the weather is bad, the first weekend in April, then I would bring it home. Rick and I went over this extensively because I am not a fan of putting my boats in shows, but we decided that it would be roped off so knowone could board it ect. To me, that is cut and dry and could not get any clearer. Now I am told to discuss it with Rick. What else is there to discuss, and Rick is in Milwaukee at a show. If I felt comfortable in leaving Stephanie at home for that long, I would get my ass to Milwaukee now to find out if I need to do something else so I can have a new boat the beginning of April. I have to pick up the money from the bank that I am borrowing by March 15 and start paying for a boat that I do not know if I will have, sorry, but no. If there are issues for what ever reason, someone need to be HONEST with me and tell me. I have handed over my boat back in Dec., and have the cash set aside and the bank waiting, all I need is a sign of a boat!
God, can you e-mail me if you have some info I might need to know? The private area in the forum is not too private. fischerbill@msn.com
If you do not want to get into it, I understand that also. Thanks http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif
I understand that, and if that is the case, i just wish they would tell me, and I will give them the money so we can get this damn thing started. I am not mad at one particular person or company, just at the situation. Rick is new with Checkmate and is busting his but to get things done with shows and those types of things and for the most part, Checkmate should not even have to deal with the customer, but go out of there way to the best of their ability to keep the customer happy. Again I THINK this has all boiled down to a communication problem. Here is my overlying opinion, make sure the customers who have bought and are waiting for the product are taken care of just as much as the prospective customer. Just my philosophy. That is not directed at any individual, just a general comment.
Chris
02-15-2003, 12:42 PM
Fellas,
This thread has become annoying, really annoying.
I'm going to address each person involved, and then I'm closing this thread down after giving you each one response to what I have to say.
Checkmate God....
I think it's unfair for someone who won't reveal their true identity to be posting things about others on a message board.
Think about it, how would you feel if someone was posting information or opinions about you with complete anonymity. Just for starters how would you hold that person responsible for inaccuracies in their statements? I could go on, but the bottom line is, I don't think you would like it. Yet, that is what you are doing on a daily basis, and that is unfair.
Bill...
I think you need to show some patience. You are getting upset about things you admit you don't even have all the details or facts about yet. For example, you are upset because you don't know what kind of steering is coming with your boat. When we posted the details listed in the Checkmate brochure, you claimed it can't be trusted and got upset. Well, as I and others pointed out mistakes happen and things change and evolve. So before you push the panic button, give it a few days, and when all the facts are in, report back to us and let us know what happened. If Checkmate screwed up, then post the facts about your experiences then.
To Z....
Yes, you bashed Checkmate. When you post a message saying....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "They seem to be making their buisness very sloppy now... I'm sorry to say, but I think I might stick with personal sales of used Checkmates rather then dealing with a new one... I don't want to go through all that hassle for nothing when I can spend less money on a good boat!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, that is bashing in my books. And, considering the fact you didn't spell "business" correctly, I highly doubt Bill and the boys will be lining up anytime soon for any of your so called "buisness" advice.
To the Freedom of Speech advocates....
You don't have freedom of speech on a message board, it's that simple. It is bought and paid for, by someone else. If you want to go out into the street and jump up on your soapbox and tell your story, fine. And if it turns what you say is untrue or unfounded, I'm sure you'll get your day in court too.
And I might add.....I don't live in the United States anyway.
To everyone....
I started this message board so that people could come and share, performance tips, photos of their boats, etc. I didn't start it, so people would have a customer feedback forum or a place where they could come and post whatever they like about Checkmate Boats Inc. If you want to rant and bash Checkmate, fine, they have a bulletin board, so go there.
And personally, I'm getting a little tired of people coming in here and acting like it's their God given right, to say and do whatever the hell they please. The reason this thread has pissed me off so much, is that hearsay and speculation are being stated as fact, and opinion is being stated
as fact.
So what I suggest is this; when Bill has gathered all the facts, the paperwork, times, dates, etc., if there is still a problem, that should be the time when y'all can sit in judgment and draw your conclusions.
mmmkay?
As I stated earlier, the people involved in this thread will now be each be given their chance to post one further response, and then I'm going to close this.
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[This message was edited by Chris on February 15, 2003 at 12:02 PM.]
Chris, You my friend seemed to have missed a point and you do not seem to understand some of the underlying issues. I get upset when I ask questions and do not get answers. The brochure is more than a typo, it is simply Checkmate. Yes, they are a small company and their marketing and advertising reflects a shrtcoming, but they make up for it in their boats. All I ask for is answers whch I have not gotten and have been tring to get for quite awhile. When I ask 4 times over a month what my final price is and I do not get an answer, that is showing patience. When I have been told several times that the boat will be started in a few days over the past month and a half, that is patience. Hearsay and Speculation, no, everything I have stated is directly from the horses mouth, hearsay in a court of law, maybe, but we are not in a court of law. Now, put yourself in my shoes. I have specific plans for a boat that I bought starting the beginning of April. Here we are, Feb 15th, 4 weeks to build a boat, lag time to get it too green bay, finish rigging and do all the stuff the dealer has to do, my proposed pick-up date in 6 weeks, no start date or completion date even proposed as of yet( Kip told me that yesterday) and I need to show patience? HMMMM! We sure seem to be runing out of time and lastly like I stated earlier, I have to pick up a check by March 14 from the bank or I will have to go through financing all over and lose my good financing that I locked into. There is alot more here than wanting the boat here so I can look at it.
One more thing Chris, we are all adults (I think) and I do not think anyone, including myself, like to be censored in this fashion. If I, we, are annoying you, do not read it. If you seem qualified to make this decision, upon your wishes, i will remove myself from your forum si I will not annoy you. Sorry I proved to be a pain in the ass to you all! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
true identity LOL
Why should I say who I am,why dose it madder,I dont see kip saying Iam wrong,Thats because,If I know then I say,If I am not sure then I say so.Plus theres alot of people on here that I dont know there real name,plus how do you know that,It is there real name????? You dont!!!! Unless you met them or know them. inaccuracies LOL If I do make a mistake then I allways says so.You think I dont know what Iam talking about,Ask rick if he had a problum with the bank on that zt220 long deck.Youll see that I know what the hell gose on.But the truth hurts,SO just take my account off here because I knew this would happen,when somebody tells the truth and other people dont really know anything,This all started because of your post,Bill was telling me something,he ask me and I answered then he answered back,people where talking to each other,And as far as posting information or opinions THIS WHOLE WEBSITE IS NOTHING BUT THAT.I came on here telling the truth and people get all pissed and want to know how I know so much,Just look at ask the exsperts what do you call that,People tell people to use this use that its better for checkmate boats it makes them faster,gives them more lift,the run better,Well thats all peoples opinions,So you all have fun with the bullcrap and lies that you will get now and then not all the time.Plus its unfair that you have kip on here,If you think its unfair for me not to say my name,Hell you seen some of his post over on the other website where they were doing that poll on the best 25 foot boats,There sure was a lot of bull crap there,but you never seen me say anything,Hell he dont even have a boat,And he sure made the company look bad there on that web site oh yeh bashing baja lol lol.As far as what z said,Well he said seem to be very sloppy,He didnt say they were,so he was not bashing,THAT HIS OPTION JUST LIKE YOURS AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO POST ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB.
SO GOOD BY EVERY BODY AND HAVE FUN
Take my name off chris please,Iam not mad at anybody just stateing the facts in my option.
Please wait till tonight to take my name off I want to give a final fare well to the people on here.thanks http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif
My last post in here...
I think that Checkmate is going downhill. Years ago Checkmate was a well known name and I used to see fair amounts of them. Today however, I rarely see one and people/magazines don't talk about them as much. When you mix up 2 different companies, that is bad... They would both get mad, plus so will the customer... I'm still the same, I highly doubt that I will buy new from Checkmate... I would either buy used off someone I trust, or in last resort, go to another company. We also all make typos... One mistake is not the end of the world... Checkmate is not perfect, so not every topic in the forum will always be a good one. I'm sorry but all this sh!t seems to be true and its to be blamed on Checkmate... Even if you delete this thread, it does stop us from expressing it elsewhere and the fact we all remember it. Really, if you don't want all this bad posts going around, delete us all or just don't read it... If you don't want us to post what we think, we'll all leave. Also, a firefighter doesn't need to give business advice. Now I will talk to you all...
Checkmate GodYou shouldn't leave... You give us lots of information and stuff that us regular guys would love to see. Its good to be honest and say whats true, not a whole bunch of lies/inaccuracies to please the owner...
Bill-Good luck with the ZT 240, that is, if they ever start it... I think some problems occured at Checkmate there! Even though sometimes you may get us all confused, you don't need to leave...
Chris-I understand that it is your forum but the topics cannot always be about what YOU want...
I'm sorry it has to be so blunt but thats the way it is!
If I'm too much of a pain in the a$$, you might as well delete me too... Its your money and your forum...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
I'm sure Scream and Fly wouldn't mind having us... Honestly, I'd rather stay here but if we can't all get along. It's pretty sad when we are b!tching back and forth over a great boat company? So much for one last post... LOL
Chris E. - Z06
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
HEY Z BEFORE I LEAVE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS,When you mix up 2 different companies.
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""Geez, silly me, I thought this was the Checkmate fan site?
According to my brochures it lists the standard steering as "Teleflex tilt steering with a custom wheel".
The optional steering is listed as "Mayfair hydraulic steering".
Feel free to return to the bash fest now.... """
I think I might make a mistake soon, but I'm not too sure...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Wait a sec... I'm just all confused... Never mind what I said. I am just tired and frustrated... I don't know where I got 2 companies from... I'm still looking used now...
Checkmates may not be the fastest boats on the water, but they are the nicest looking!
Chris
02-15-2003, 04:21 PM
And now that everyone has had their chance to voice their opinion, I'm closing this and moving it to the "Play To Win" forum as this was never news related anyway.
In closing...
To me this was always a private matter, between Bill, Rick and Checkmate. And that's the way it should have been handled and stayed, private.
Why it was brought here for everyone to parse and comment on, is really beyond me. If all the parties were here to give their version of the story and defend themselves, that would have been one thing. But, what we have here is one individual's version of the story, who is upset, pissed in their own words. Perhaps justifiably, I don't know. And then other people jumping on the frustration bandwagon and riding it along.
I attempted to defend some of the individuals who are not here to defend themselves, or at least give them the benefit of the doubt, and then was myself attacked. Not directly, but basically told to butt out, as this matter was somehow beyond my comprehension or understanding. Yeah, well, whatever.
If you fellas want to stop posting here, that is your choice to make. As a rule, I rarely delete posts, threads, or memberships. So if you choose not to post here anymore, than that is your decision to make. But if you choose to stay, I want you to know that the moderators and myself are going to run this board as we see fit. You may or may not like every decision we make, but we are still going to make them. If you can't live with them, then I wish you all the best and thanks for sharing.
Moving on....
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