Holy Smokes

[Z06]

Is this just me or this price crazy?

Year: 2002
Make: CHECKMATE
Model: ZT 260
Model Detail:
Price: $97,500
Length: 26 feet
Date: 3/22/03
Ad Type: Dealer
Comment: Mercruiser 496 MAG HO Bravo X Drive, Demo Unit, 18 hrs., stepped hull, silent choice, cockpit cover, trim tabs, 3 blade stainless prop, $97,500. PRIDE OF MUSKOKA (705)645-9151 (CDKGZL)

They don't even have their own image of it, just the original CHeckmate. I am not getting a boat from them, EVER!

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[Z06]

Is this just me or this price crazy?

Year: 2002
Make: CHECKMATE
Model: ZT 260
Model Detail:
Price: $97,500
Length: 26 feet
Date: 3/22/03
Ad Type: Dealer
Comment: Mercruiser 496 MAG HO Bravo X Drive, Demo Unit, 18 hrs., stepped hull, silent choice, cockpit cover, trim tabs, 3 blade stainless prop, $97,500. PRIDE OF MUSKOKA (705)645-9151 (CDKGZL)

They don't even have their own image of it, just the original CHeckmate. I am not getting a boat from them, EVER!

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[Bill]

Roughly 73 grand for a used 260, I would tell them what to do with their Mate.

[Z06]

I don't even want to know what your ZT-240 is like $ wise. Ouch http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Makes a Pulsare look cheap $ wise!!!! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/Eyecrazy.gif

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[Chris]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill:
Roughly 73 grand for a used 260, I would tell them what to do with their Mate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, in US funds it would be about 64K. It might not be too far off actually.

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[Chris]

They just opened a second location too. I guess they bought another marina located on Lake of Bays.

Pride of Lake of Bays (http://www.prideofmuskoka.com/pride_lakeofbays_frame_holder.html)

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[Bill]

I thought the exchange rate was 1.50 CAN to 1.0 usd http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif If I was told correctly about the exchange rate, it can't be 64 grand, but hey, you guys are smarter then me...

[Chris]

Well....

$97,000.00 Canadian Dollars / 1.5 = $64,666.00 US Dollars.

So $64,666.00 US Dollars X 1.5 = $97,000 Canadian Dollars.

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[Chris]

And actually, the Canadian dollar is gaining strength so it's actually about a 1.488 exchange rate.

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[Z06]

http://www.prideofmuskoka.com/images/Pride_LAKE_OF_BAYS_LOGO_thumb.jpg
What kind of name is Pride Of Lake Of Bays. How many ofs can you fit into one name? Any idea on their inventory of Checkmates. Maybe I'll give them an e-mail and see what I get. Still, 97K, Not Me... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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[Bill]

Christ, that is why I said you were smater than me, you used a calculator! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Chris]

What about the price fellas?

I gather if that boat is new that would actually be a pretty good price, would it not?

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[Z06]

I'm sorry but I would not pay close to 100K for a demo boat. Who knows what people have done with or to the boat? I really don't want to know how much Bill's ZT was. Scary http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/Eyecrazy.gif It makes the Pulsare price look amazing http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/xxrotflmao.gif

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[Bill]

Chris, If the boat were new, It is pretty close I think, althoug still high, and that is for new, no way for used! Of course that is asking price, not selling price, I hope! Sorry, Z what I paid is between Bayview and me.

[Bill]

Z, I will say this, the Pulsare is Much, Much less!

[Z06]

The ZT will never be in my price range. Makes 50K not sound too bad. I might just buy a new one. I would really like a boat over a car right now as I just got one. I think a 2002, and 2003 is good enough for most. 2004 can wait...

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[Malibu]

I priced out a 1997 Pulsare with a 225 Promax and trailer on Nadaguides, like Rick's Marine has, that they are asking $37,000 CAN. According to Nadaguides that package worth around $23,000 CAN not including any options (since I'm not sure what it has). I sent them an email with this price and asked them to justify their price, I also offered them $27,000 for this boat, which I'm sure they won't accept. I'm still waiting for a response from them, I bet I don't get one. They didn't respond to me last time I emailed them, great customer service. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I emailed another dealer in the same area yesterday, and they responded first thing in the morning, and even responded to a follow up email, that's good customer service. I don't know anything about Rick's Marine, but they aren't impressing me. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Z06]

It seems XSV stands by them? Maybe you just can't get a Checkmate for such $ any more. If it was for sale for anything under 25, I'd be lined up outside the door with the cheque!

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[JW]

Remember Malibu, don't commit to a Pulsare until you've experienced mine.. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

1995 2100BR/1995 225 Promax/23" Tempest

[Z06]

Thats right. I'd say Jims would be the best choice before forking out 30K for something. Its one amazing boat even though I havn't seen it first hand, YET http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/xxrotflmao.gif

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[Malibu]

I haven't commited, just an offer which I doubt they will accept.

[Z06]

What if they do? http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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[Malibu]

I doubt they will, XSV said the owner wants at least $30,000. I could have had JW's for around $23,000 CAN, my butt is still sore from kicking myself so many times for passing it up. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/sleep.gif

[Z06]

I would be kicking my own ass too. I have done that before with my buddies. I could have got it but NO, let is pass. Damnit

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[Bill]

The dealer should have gotten back to you, but they still might be laughing at the offer. You can add 10 grand in options before you figured out what you just did. NADA is only a bare bones starting point. Dealerships that I used to work for for classify someone as a waste of time if they gave an extrememly low offer.

[Malibu]

I don't think I'm wasting their time, I think they are way over priced!!! There is 1997 Pulsare bow rider with a 2000 225 Promax on traderonline in Wisconsin for $18,900 US, that's around $28,000 CAN, and that's a bow rider with a 2000 motor.

[Z06]

They'd know soon if they have it overpriced because no one will buy it. You can get the same boat, costs less, and might be a bit farther away, but who cares. 37,000 is a bit much for a 1997 Pulsare when its now 2003.

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[Z06]

I was just wondering, has anyone actually seen/driven this Pulsare? Anyone have any pictures that they may be able to post? For all we know, this may be a next to new boat. We can't go making comments on the price or the boat without even seeing it. Silly Me http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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[Malibu]

I think XSV has seen it, and says it's a real sweet looking boat.

[Malibu]

If anyone it interested, here is that link to that 1997 Pulsare bowrider in Wisconsin.

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/8/29978528.htm

[Z06]

I saw that link. Anyone see the image with the Stingray in it? The place is like Pier 57, has everything.

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[Bill]

Of course we don't know if anyone has called on that boat, but according to the add, it is pretty stripped. What kind of steroe, speakers, gauges, it is only single axle, does it have brakes, where is the gear case. Lots of relavance there that make a big differance in price. This is a boat that has been for sale for well over a year, why, why so cheap? It is priced well below market, especaill with that motor, but again, it does not have a gear case.

[Z06]

I also don't really like those colours for the Puslare. Red, Black, or even Yellow would be amazing.

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[xsvspeed]

Sorry all, I have been busy the past few days. Ya, Malibu, I would call Rick's instead of E-mailing. I have seen the 1997 Pulsare. It is all black with red metalflake and white accents. I do not think it has one scratch or scuff. The motor is the Promax 225 with the low water pickup "Torquemaster"? foot...I think that is what it is called. I beleive it has hydraulick steering as well. The trailer is a bunk style (matching colours) with aluminum wheels. The interior is white with black. All I can say is the boat is in their showroom and deserves to be there. As for the price...since it is a consignment sale that means only 8% tax and maybe the powerhead is "blown"...get my drift. 8% tax on a let's say $15000 dollar sale...you get the picture. I was told the boat has very few hours on it.

I am dissapointed to hear that they have not responded to you. I will mention that to them in a month when I go get my boat.

In my opinion the amount of use is critical to the asking price. The book value makes all kinds of assumptions and in some cases is not accurate.

Here is a question for members. How many hours do you put on your boat in a summer? http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I know I put on about 50 hrs per season.

Malibu, compare this boat to buying a five year old car with only 10000 KMS!! Is it worth more than what the book value says? I think so!

I feel the need for speed!

[Malibu]

XSV- Do you know if the jack plate is hydraulic? Wonder why the owner rarely used such a beautiful boat?

I'm suppose to be going down to JW's next weekend, if the weather is nice, to take his Pulsare out for a spin, never been in one. If I like his, I might have to give Rick's a call and make a serious offer on it. Since you know these guys do you think the motor might be blown...if you catch my drift... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/sssh.gif

[Z06]

I am now serously looking for a Pulsare. I might go down and look at that Pulsare as well. I may buy it on the spot if Malibu doesn't get there first. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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[Malibu]

Z06 if you have the cash, go ahead and buy it. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Just remember even at $30,000 with 8% tax it will cost your $32,400. XSV thinks they can fudge the receipt, but being a dealer I doubt they will do that. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Malibu]

I called Rick's today and asked them to send me some pics of the 1997 Pulsare, I'll post them when I get them.

[Z06]

I am not short on the cash, I just have to think alot. I want this boat, but its convincing the family. I'd also need to get myself a hoist. It would all be worth it in the end though http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

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[xsvspeed]

If I recall, it only has the standard jackplate.

I feel the need for speed!

[Z06]

Hydraulic would be on my listhttp://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Chris]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Malibu:
Z06 if you have the cash, go ahead and buy it. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Just remember even at $30,000 with 8% tax it will cost your $32,400. XSV thinks they can fudge the receipt, but being a dealer I doubt they will do that. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I wouldn't fudge it. Suppose you get the old phony receipt and on the way home get hit and the boat gets written off. What are you going to do.....ask for a new receipt to show to your insurance company so you can get your money back?

Call me old fashioned, but I say do it the honest way or don't do it at all.

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[Z06]

I totally agree with Chris 100%. There is way too much of a risk involved with that. I'd like to play it safe with a 30K purchase thank you very much http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/Eyecrazy.gif

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[Malibu]

For those of you that are interested in the 1997 Pulsare at Rick's Marine, it can be viewed on their website, if you click on the tab that says "in stock" and look for the pic of the 1997 Checkmate. I would post the pic on here, but I can't figure out how to do it.

www.ricksmarine.ca (http://www.ricksmarine.ca)

[Chris]

Hmmm, let's try this and see if it works.

http://www.wicms.com/ricksmarine/Black_Checkmate600x.jpg

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[Bill]

Man, my 85 Diplomat had a better shine that does, Rick needs to give those people a lesson in presentation. Too bad it has the wrong gearcase on that boat. Trailer looks kind of cheap, not custom.

[Malibu]

Ya and this is the one they want 37K CAN for, around 25K USD, I think JW's looks 10 times better...I did hear they might have a 1999 for sale with a 225 Optimax on it, I bet they ask over 40K for it.

Thanks Chris for posting it for me. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

[Bill]

I agree with you Malibu! JW's does look a hell of alot better!

[Malibu]

Hey Bill we agree on something... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

[Chris]

I'm not too sure if it's just the lighting, but the deck on that thing looks like caca.

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[Z06]

I'm not to sure if you'd want the Opti. I know some of us can a rough of on our boats. The 99 model had some problems and blowed alot. It does have good top speeds though but if you are not careful. Thats what was on my buddies and then after he sold it, the guy blew it and is now looking for reasons.

As for the picture, looks all right but not up to my standards.

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[Malibu]

Chris, ya I never though about what might happen when you fudge a receipt and try to get an insurance claim, you would be SOL... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/jpshakehead.gif

[Bill]

Z, why is your buddy looking for answers on why the motor blew. Why do you think Mercury has such a big warranty n them. When they were introduced, they were junk, just like OMC's ficht motor. That is what put OMC out of business. These guys are putting thing out into the markey too fast. If you can see the inside, they are cutting way back on R and D compared to what they use to do. I had a friend who workd for at the time OMC in the R and D dept and the stories I get...

[Bill]

Malibu,
Sorry, I don't mean to be argumentative, But having worked in the Marine business for about 8 years, some of those with Checkmates, I learned a different perspective on seeing things and reading into things with boats. Anyway... it is all in fun! http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

[JW]

When someone buys a boat from me, they get two receipts...........

1995 2100BR/1995 225 Promax/23" Tempest

[Malibu]

Bill, no probs.... http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Bill]

Malibu,
To quote our fearless leader Chris, KEWL http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/thumb.gif

[Z06]

No offense or anything Bill, that was very strange and how may I say it, gay:P

JW, what do you mean by 2 receipts?

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[Bill]

Z, what the hell are you talking about? http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Chris]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill:
Z, what the hell are you talking about? http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bill, just look at him and nod politely. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/sssh.gif http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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[Bill]

AAAHHHHHH! okay Chris, got it http://www.checkmate-boats.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Malibu]

Z06, JW gives 2 receipts, one for the tax man, and one with the real price, for insurance etc. http://www.checkmate-boats.com/6/ws/,s,8626072361/Graemlins/sssh.gif

[Z06]

KEWL BILL KEWL. I guess us firemen can confuse about anyone. We can be very upfront to. Do what Chris says, just smile and nod, but now I know all your secrets:P LOL

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