Opti 250 xs or new 300xs On 2100 pulsare

[TCAT]

Does anyone have any experience with these engines on a Pulsare 2100.
I am looking to repower my Pulsare, nothing wrong with my 225 Opti I just have a chance to sell it and move up. I was looking at the 250xs but the 300xs really temps me.

Anyone have any info on these set up on a 2100 speeds handling etc?

Also wondering how the 300x compares to the 300xs?

There is a 300x on a 2100 Pulsare long deck on my lake that runs really good but i hear he has spark plug problems when run at low speed and idles too long. Especially when wake boarding and skiing a lot.

[jgreen]

Dave at Fargo Checkmate just rigged a 2100 with a 300x. I havent talked to him since he did but I will check with him and see what I can find out for you if you want or just go to his link on here and get his phone number and give him a call. He is always willing to talk to other mate fanatics. I have his 800 number at work and can get it to you if you want.

[TCAT]

Sure Jgreen send me his number.

I am looking more for info on the new 300xs Opti as the 300x is only avalaible used anymore.

I think I am going to go with a 2006 dealer demo 250 Opti XS with 50 hours I found yesterday. I will decised later this week.

[Adam L.]

Cant go wrong with the 250xs. I would think it would put you up to 80mph. 300 would get you to 90.Talk to Wildman. I am sure he would have some good feedback for youwith those set-ups.

[TCAT]

Thanks Adam

I will try and contact him. Low to mid 80's would be fine with me:bigthumb:

[Mark]

TCAT
They don't know about your secret weapon - the 10" custom pad. The 250 may get you into the mid-80's. Here's the link you want to see. http://www.bassandwalleyeboats.com/output.cfm?id=943489
P.S. shoot me a pm about spare props. You've might have something I want.

[aaronmt]

Ive never got myself in trouble getting to much (especially hp), but have spent thousands of dollers chasing what i would have had if i would of gone all out in the first place. http://checkmate-boats.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif Id say go for the 300 if ya can swing it, that will take the what if's out of you and your freinds thoughts down the line. Be carefull though. Aaron

[TCAT]

Hi aaronmt

I can't get a 300xs up here yet:confused:

I guess from what I read on Scream and Fly Wildman just received a couple of the first ones out of the factory.

The dealers here in the Tornoto area say winter or spring before they get any. They can't even tell me the price.

I think it will be the 250 xs for now then maybe trade up if I feel the need later.

[jgreen]

Tcat,
Dave in Fargo's number is 1-800-451-8840.

Good luck!!

[Roberts Marine]

I priced a new 300 a little while ago and was surprised to find them priced about $19,500.00. Not that this is cheap but that is what the old 300 EFIs sold for. Optis are usally a grand more. I believe the 300s will not be available untill Oct. There is probably a waiting list and may not be available then. We would be happy to order one for you and rig it this winter.
Bob

[TCAT]

Thanks for all the input guys I just picked up a 2006 250XS with a Torquemaster LU from Exteme Marine in Toronto. It was one of the owners demo motors. It won't be on until spring but it should be great. I have been told that the 250xs makes about 270Hp at the shaft. I am looking for 85mph I hope:D

[WILDMAN]

What speed did you end up getting out of the 250xs? I just put one on a 21BR and ran it today. It was rough out and ran 81.5 on gps. 88-89 on the speedo. I think there's a few more mph in it.

[TCAT]

Hey Wildman

I never got a chance to run it the lake got hard up here. Cannot wait until spring. My boat ran 78 on GPS with the 225 I hope to see at least 85 with the new 250xs. I will have to get my Boger props reworked to match the new engine. SO it will time for some experimenting in April.

I let you know how I make out then.

[captainmorgan]

:confused: cant seem to find 3litre mercs w/20"shafts around here. you guys up on the lakes are where they are. id be willing to travel to get me a good 250 or 300x. also want 2-3litres counter rot for my 23 tunnel. got cash, need vacation, will travel. dont want to spend 60k$ yet, so i will buy blown, sunk, or trade 2.4s and 5s for 3l merc exhaust housings. we got 5 running 2.4s and my 2.5-200 w/75-4 stroke cover is beating 250yams, and 225mercs. seen 70-78gps depending on chop, and my setup is solid no chine. ready for trip digits, and ive got the money to get the only pleasure i get out of life. can anybody help an old redneck keep smiling like capt morgan?:lol:

[Chris]

What speed did you end up getting out of the 250xs? I just put one on a 21BR and ran it today. It was rough out and ran 81.5 on gps. 88-89 on the speedo. I think there's a few more mph in it.
Randy, TCAT discovered after he bought his boat, that a previous owner widened the pad on his Pulsare. His boat is a few clicks faster than a standard 2100. :devil:

[WILDMAN]

Yeah, a wider pad gets the boat out of the water more. I can't be doing that to new boats though.

[Chris]

Yeah, a wider pad gets the boat out of the water more. I can't be doing that to new boats though.I was just letting you know that his boat really won't give you much of a benchmark. If I remember correctly TCAT took a bit of heat for his top end numbers way back when. I think a few members thought he was embellishing them a wee bit. Then later on, we were comparing some pics of a new Pulsare from the Toronto boat show and that's when TCAT discovered his pad had been widened by a previous owner. Whoever did it, did a really fine job on it. You can't tell it's altered, that's for sure.

[TCAT]

Thanks Chris

You have a good memory. I would have and will point the pad out when I post the number she turns in spring.

I have be laying low with posting any numbers my boat turns and recommending props because of the heat I took before.

Z06 knew the previous owner who did the pad mods, he can verify he was turning numbers almost as high but he was only running stock props I picked up almost 2 Mph over what he had done with my Boger modifed props.

I am hoping I can reuse my Boger props with the 250XS, it has a 1.62 gear set in it so I hope that the gears will compensate for the increased horse power. I am hoping they will be close enough that I can have Rich Boger tweak them just a little to make them bang on.

I would have one big smile on my face with 85Mph on GPS. Still would not be that fastest 2100 Pulsare on Lake Manitouwabing though there is a 2005 2100 closed bow with a 300x he runs+95.

Anyway looking forward to next spring it will be fun. Keep you posted.

[TCAT]

:confused: cant seem to find 3litre mercs w/20"shafts around here. you guys up on the lakes are where they are. id be willing to travel to get me a good 250 or 300x. also want 2-3litres counter rot for my 23 tunnel. got cash, need vacation, will travel. dont want to spend 60k$ yet, so i will buy blown, sunk, or trade 2.4s and 5s for 3l merc exhaust housings. we got 5 running 2.4s and my 2.5-200 w/75-4 stroke cover is beating 250yams, and 225mercs. seen 70-78gps depending on chop, and my setup is solid no chine. ready for trip digits, and ive got the money to get the only pleasure i get out of life. can anybody help an old redneck keep smiling like capt morgan?:lol:

Captainmorgan These guys in Toronto have 3-5 used 250xs engines for sale from various years and new ones on the shelf. Maybe they can ship one too you.

Extreme Marine 2001 Albion Road
Etobicoke, ON
M9W 6V6
Tel: 416-674-7142

[JW]

Yeah, a wider pad gets the boat out of the water more. I can't be doing that to new boats though.


Maybe the new owner of Checkmate will take a look here, and realize he needs to widen the Pulsare pad to 12-14" to make a hot boat out of it.....................

[xsive]

Maybe the new owner of Checkmate will take a look here, and realize he needs to widen the Pulsare pad to 12-14" to make a hot boat out of it.....................

Not everyone wants to go 100MPH. Widen the pad and harshen the ride. Pad width is a compromise, between speed and rough water ride.

[TCAT]

Maybe the new owner of Checkmate will take a look here, and realize he needs to widen the Pulsare pad to 12-14" to make a hot boat out of it.....................

That would be great if they did JW I can tell you that I have driven other 2100 Pulsares and none air out like mine. As soon as I get it trimed up onto the pad it just lifts out of the water and flys. I would maybe even consider a new boat if they did that.

[TCAT]

Not everyone wants to go 100MPH. Widen the pad and harshen the ride. Pad width is a compromise, between speed and rough water ride.

It might harshen the ride a very very small amount were not talking a flat bottom hull. On the lakes and bays most 2100 run on it would be difficult to say the ride is rougher I would take the Pad option anyday.

I do not know if you remember or know of the 21 Challenger built back in the 70s but it was the fastest best riding 21 ever made it had a huge pad and was still probably the best 21 foot rough water boat to date even better than the Pulsare. I had one and stupidly sold it in 1985.

[addgasgofast]

The "06" 250XS is one sweet motor. I rigged one up on an 21' Liberator before Wildman did any of the XS stuff. He and I have talked/exchanged info. about these "new" XS motors etc. and I don't know if he has put one of the 250XS's on as yet, he went from 300X's to 300XS's. My results are 30" E.T./6000rpm/1.75 gears=90mph gps. Very smooooth and even better gas mileage than your 225. They do pull in the low 270's for hp on the dyno. You will like this motor alot. Can you P.M. me the name and # for the place that you mentioned that has some used 250XS's?. Thank's.

[JW]

Not everyone wants to go 100MPH. Widen the pad and harshen the ride. Pad width is a compromise, between speed and rough water ride.

Widening the pad from the narrow ski that it is now to a 12" wide pad wouldn't change the ride much with the size and weight of the Pulsare. If you look at all of the SOB boats being built now, they've all got 12-15" pads and are running offshore on the east coast. Do a search over at Scream and take a look at the new Intimidator hull as an example............

[JUPITER PULSARE]

Widening the pad from the narrow ski that it is now to a 12" wide pad wouldn't change the ride much with the size and weight of the Pulsare. If you look at all of the SOB boats being built now, they've all got 12-15" pads and are running offshore on the east coast. Do a search over at Scream and take a look at the new Intimidator hull as an example............

Most of you guys are missing the "boat" here. Steve Step's original 22' Velocity has one of the best pads in the business and is one of the fasted 22' hulls built. It is a variable degree deadrise hull. It starts out as a sharp V in the bow and only keel turns into a pad as you move towards the stern. It's not just a flat surface that runs the length of the bottom.

[F150GT]

I think the pad size will make a bigger effect than you think. The ride diffrence between my Starflight and Enchanter are huge. The Starflight has a full V hull and takes on rough water nicely but isnt that fast, The Enchanter rides a little firm but is 5 MPH faster with the same engine and set up. The two boats are very similar in length and weight. The V hull also turns much better.
I havent ever rode or drove any of the newer Pulse or Pulsars so I cant speek for there comparison at all, but minor changes in the hull can have large effects on performance.
F150GT

[Chris]

You don't ride on much of the pad in rough water anyway.

I say widen it. The Pulsare is a "lake" boat anyway. :devil:

[JW]

The Pulsare here with the widened pad still runs pretty 'wet' but easily gained 5 mph over the stock hull. Good for gas mileage too :bigthumb: