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Old 03-07-2019, 03:40 PM   #11
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Great info, thanks again.

One tidbit I do remember from another build thread on a 2400 BRX with a 400r, is that the owner experienced a good bit of chine walk with his original set-up. IIRC, he stated the 400r already has a bit of set back built into the transom mount, and reducing the size of the set-back plate improved his speed and stability.

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You are correct about the added setback on the 400r, so with that, combined with an additional 6” from the jp you’re at 8.5”ish on total setback. And I will tell you, I am not experiencing any of the Ill handling effects that some experience running setbacks over 6”, this is probably due to not really having a pad and how the CG is affected with 10 + inches of setback, and any speed gains due to the added setback seemed to be muted by the negative handling attributes that were described.
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Sorry to keep adding to the thread...but just this week Kip @ Checkmate told me there is a "small pad" at the back of the 2400 BRX keel.

Prior to that I have always heard the 2400 had a straight vee bottom. I recall another owner asking for a mold insert (to create a small pad) when they build his 2400...and Checkmate said no go.

So maybe Kip was thinking of another hull??
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Sorry to keep adding to the thread...but just this week Kip @ Checkmate told me there is a "small pad" at the back of the 2400 BRX keel.

Prior to that I have always heard the 2400 had a straight vee bottom. I recall another owner asking for a mold insert (to create a small pad) when they build his 2400...and Checkmate said no go.

So maybe Kip was thinking of another hull??
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Kip is correct, it is a very narrow V pad, nothing compared to the width of the pads on the 1850, 2000 & 2100. Notice the attached, top pic is the pad on the 1850, bottom is the V pad on the 2400. That crown on the 2400ís V pad is what makes it challenging to balance on with increased setback and a CG thats off.

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One more thing to keep in mind is, the 2400 LD or the BRX are 1 ton boats dry, without motor. So, if you compare a close competitor like Tuff for example, their 24 is only around 1400lbs dry and the 28 is around 1800lbs dry. So the Checkmate seems to be more of a wide beam heavyweight in this class of 24’ SOB’s. Not in the lightweight catagory like say the 2100 would be comparably speaking.
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OK, here's the real scoop. The Verado mid section, by design, has 5" of setback built into it. I run an Atlas 8" jackplate on my Pulsare 2400 Bowrider with a Verado 300 Pro which puts me at 13" total setback. If you go beyond that with a Verado 300 Pro or 400R (635lbs dry) you will get some porpoising due to the CG (center of gravity) being moved aft. I run a stock Bravo One 24 and have seen 71mph. I think there's more speed in the setup but I've never tried any other props. James (Hayabusa on this site) has a BRX with a 400R. He originally had at least 16" total setback which led to some real handling issues in the mid to upper 70's. It improved greatly when he went back to a 6" jackplate. I believe his boat has seen over 80mph with the Verado 400R. Maybe he can chime in. I know he hasn't run his BRX since buying a Tuff 28 with twin 300SX's...
Also, All the 24' Pulsare hulls run a V-Pad bottom. In other words, the running surface as the transom is not completely flat (slight V) but shallower V than the the rest of the hull bottom.
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OK, here's the real scoop. The Verado mid section, by design, has 5" of setback built into it. I run an Atlas 8" jackplate on my Pulsare 2400 Bowrider with a Verado 300 Pro which puts me at 13" total setback. If you go beyond that with a Verado 300 Pro or 400R (635lbs dry) you will get some porpoising due to the CG (center of gravity) being moved aft. I run a stock Bravo One 24 and have seen 71mph. I think there's more speed in the setup but I've never tried any other props. James (Hayabusa on this site) has a BRX with a 400R. He originally had at least 16" total setback which led to some real handling issues in the mid to upper 70's. It improved greatly when he went back to a 6" jackplate. I believe his boat has seen over 80mph with the Verado 400R. Maybe he can chime in. I know he hasn't run his BRX since buying a Tuff 28 with twin 300SX's...
Also, All the 24' Pulsare hulls run a V-Pad bottom. In other words, the running surface as the transom is not completely flat (slight V) but shallower V than the the rest of the hull bottom.
Thanks for the details JP!

Circling back to the original question in my post, just to get some more insight:

How does the 2400 BRX ride and handle chop compared to other boats in it's size range?

I understand the it a relatively lightweight boat with a shallow freeboard.....on the other hand it does have a 22 deg deadrise bottom and jjg states he does pretty well on Cumberland. (if occasionally airborne :-)

Any boats in that size range you could compare and contrast with?

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OK, here's the real scoop. The Verado mid section, by design, has 5" of setback built into it. I run an Atlas 8" jackplate on my Pulsare 2400 Bowrider with a Verado 300 Pro which puts me at 13" total setback. If you go beyond that with a Verado 300 Pro or 400R (635lbs dry) you will get some porpoising due to the CG (center of gravity) being moved aft. I run a stock Bravo One 24 and have seen 71mph. I think there's more speed in the setup but I've never tried any other props. James (Hayabusa on this site) has a BRX with a 400R. He originally had at least 16" total setback which led to some real handling issues in the mid to upper 70's. It improved greatly when he went back to a 6" jackplate. I believe his boat has seen over 80mph with the Verado 400R. Maybe he can chime in. I know he hasn't run his BRX since buying a Tuff 28 with twin 300SX's...
Also, All the 24' Pulsare hulls run a V-Pad bottom. In other words, the running surface as the transom is not completely flat (slight V) but shallower V than the the rest of the hull bottom.
Just an FYI Jup, according to Racing, the actual setback on the AMS midsection is 2.5”, this is the dimension they tell their customers to figure in for total setback.
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Just an FYI Jup, according to Racing, the actual setback on the AMS midsection is 2.5Ē, this is the dimension they tell their customers to figure in for total setback.
Based upon this Mercury video, they quote it as 4" of setback (at the 3:07 mark in the video)...
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Thanks for the details JP!

Circling back to the original question in my post, just to get some more insight:

How does the 2400 BRX ride and handle chop compared to other boats in it's size range?

I understand the it a relatively lightweight boat with a shallow freeboard.....on the other hand it does have a 22 deg deadrise bottom and jjg states he does pretty well on Cumberland. (if occasionally airborne :-)

Any boats in that size range you could compare and contrast with?

Thx !
The Pulare 2400 hull is a true 24' hull. No notch in the transom and it carries 22 degrees if deadrise with a V pad. I can tell you from direct experience that it handles much bigger water with a superior ride over the the Pulsare 2100, 21' Starflite, 22' Velocity and 230 Velocity that I've owned in the past. It may not be as fast (unless you drop the coin for a 400R) but it is a pretty soft ride and can handle some snotty, choppy water. It's a good compromise between a high performance hull and family go fast boat.
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We have a 2400BRX with a verado 300 Pro (hydraulic jackplate). I've only had it for 1-1/2 seasons but my observations so far, based off our last boat a Sunsation, 288 big block I/O, a completely different style of boat. Prior to that center console outboard fishing boats.
The boat feels very light compared to the I/O. It will tend to launch rather than wave crush at high speed cruise (~50-55 mph), I think it is a combination of the shallow entry and the engine weight is so far back that it can't hold the bow down. Its not a "scary situation", this kids actually like it more, and it takes a bit more active throttling to fly level then our previous boats.
It definitely like's to be "flown" what I mean by that is to trim the bow up and ride on the pad. You can feel the boat accelerate more noticeably when it sets than our other boats. The other boats, center consoles then the offshore boat in 1-3 foot swells I would trim so that roughly the first half of the boat was out of the water and it would just mow over everything (opinions vary as either smooth and steady or this is boring!) the Checkmate rides on the last quarter of the hull and will hold its nose level skipping over the waves. A different feeling.
The only other observation if with the prop so far back and the bow relatively light, it takes a bit more effort docking in a crosswind with spectators present. Not a big deal, but its not a cruiser where you can drop it in neutral walk around putting out fenders and lines and expect it not to have moved.
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