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Old 07-31-2018, 03:31 PM   #21
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Center consoles and bass boats sell down here in Charleston. So I'm surprised CM hasn't tried to get in the market. These are built here locally:

http://pioneerboats.com/
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Don't they still make the SFX 250?
I should have said a smaller center console. 25' is way overkill for the water I boat on.
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It would be nice to see any new design come from CM....I'm surprised how quiet (new models, advertising, etc) they have been since Hustler bought them a few years back.
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I guess what really bothers me also is that there is pretty much zero market for 20'-24' I/O performance boats, save for maybe a few built out west for the Havasu area and the Donzi Classics. I would love to see the 2100 Pulsare offered with an I/O, and it would be probably attainable for someone like me brand new. I'm just not an outboard guy, never been a fan of the looks or the lack of V8 rumble, tho i do understand all the advantages (speed, maintenance, more room) of the O/B's. Still will always prefer an I/O all day everyday for me! The center console performance boat market boggles my mind tho, that one i just don't understand! Yes, center consoles as fishing boats, makes sense, but the go-fast C/C craze is very strange to me. I can see Checkmate trying to get a piece of that market since they already build performance outboard hulls and they could surly be successful with them like many other go-fast builders have been. But the wakeboard market, no way! I doubt it would be cost effective for Checkmate to develop a whole new tow-boat design to try to compete with Mastercraft, Tique', or the many other manufactures that already specialize in the tow boat market. Plus, John Lamon is right, they are mostly D-bags, flat brimmed monster hat wearing D-bags, don't want to see Checkmate lower themselves to have to market to those dip-sh*ts!
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It would be nice to see any new design come from CM....I'm surprised how quiet (new models, advertising, etc) they have been since Hustler bought them a few years back.
I canít believe they still havenít really updated their website, sterilize all reference to the previous owner and actually develop a better Checkmate merchandise section.
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I say absolutely not!!! Those wakeboard/surf turds are a pain on the lake!! Those ridiculous cruise ship size wakes they produce have caused damage to peoples beaches, docks, seawalls, and even other boats on my lake!! I'm so sick of my old 'Mate getting the crap beat out of it by those things that i have a hard time enjoying the lake anymore, i'm even considering a bigger 'Mate now mostly because of them! Nope, i don't want to see Checkmate associated with that crap, sorry to be so blunt but i can't stand those things!! I always say grow a pair and learn how to slalom ski at nearly 40mph, if you wanna surf go to the beach!! Again, sorry to be so negative but the wake/surf boats are the scourge of the lake in my opinion!!
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I guess what really bothers me also is that there is pretty much zero market for 20'-24' I/O performance boats, save for maybe a few built out west for the Havasu area and the Donzi Classics. I would love to see the 2100 Pulsare offered with an I/O, and it would be probably attainable for someone like me brand new. I'm just not an outboard guy, never been a fan of the looks or the lack of V8 rumble, tho i do understand all the advantages (speed, maintenance, more room) of the O/B's. Still will always prefer an I/O all day everyday for me! The center console performance boat market boggles my mind tho, that one i just don't understand! Yes, center consoles as fishing boats, makes sense, but the go-fast C/C craze is very strange to me. I can see Checkmate trying to get a piece of that market since they already build performance outboard hulls and they could surly be successful with them like many other go-fast builders have been.
I prefer the look and sound of the I/O too. I also think an I/O 2100 would be about perfect, but Checkmate has the ZT230br and are probably content that it is close enough. If I was buying a new 21 ft I/O that would be my choice.

As far as the sport CC craze, it seems most like the ease of maintenance from outboards and a hose out interior.

I switched to outboard power for the easy maintenance myself. But Iíd switch back for the right boat.
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The Checkmate brand is at risk of extinction if they do not develop and innovate. People buy new boats because they are 'new' boats not 20 year old models that are still being made.
Sea Ray redesigns every model every few years. A number of their models get delivered with towers and people are snapping them up because they look like wakeboard boats. Even Cobalt has their WSS line that are quasi-watersport boats that sell like hotcakes.
D-bags, as some say, are going to buy wakeboard boats anyway, they might as well be Checkmates. Mate should produce a ground up model that is unique and spectacular that would be in keeping with the brand ethos of performance and style.
Secondly, everybody has jumped into the CC market. Fountain, Formula, Baja, Nortech, etc, they all have big CC boats that are selling very well in the coastal waters because they are much cooler looking than as Mako or Parker. The industry is changing. Checkmate is asleep at the switch and is turning into a retro boat maker with a fringe market. Sorry, not a great business strategy.
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Be more specific...what length & HP?
guessing they still have the 25CC the old baja mold, juice that up, need something in the 30-32 range twin 300/400's well finished off, where I am CC's are everywhere, and people spending big $$$ on them.. There are some company's that used to sell entry level ones that have stepped their program up (sea hunt for one). they could use a IO convincor hull, one of the swim platform engine mounts, do the CC deck, finish it off nicely and roll on..my .02
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I canít believe they still havenít really updated their website, sterilize all reference to the previous owner and actually develop a better Checkmate merchandise section.
I totally agree on this. Checkmate's marketing is non-existent. I don't even know how they are surviving. It once was a company that mass produced a good quality boat and had a decent dealer network but now doesn't build many boats per year. I may be partially to blame....I've never purchased a new Checkmate and feel bad for that but I've never been financially secure enough to spend the money for a new boat. On the other hand, I feel that I've been a great spokesperson for the brand. I believe in the product, promote the name any time I can and love showing off my Checkmates.

Checkmate really needs a new Website. The Doug Smith stuff needs to go away; it left a bad taste and bad reputation for the brand. New boats, new graphics, and new interior pictures need to be uploaded. New language, maybe some option pricing and testimonials need to be added. Rigging a new Pulsare 2100 with a new Merc 300R and a Pulsare BRX with a Verado 400 should be focused on. The 2800 needs to come back to life with the new Merc powerplants and a center console based on the 2800 hull should be designed. The 24' Center Console is a beautiful boat but you never see it advertised!!?? Why?? I love Checkmate and want to see them succeed. There's good people working there and the founder's son (Kip) is still active.
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