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Which pitch Trophy Plus for 2100

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mh2508

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Last year I was looking for help on this same topic but figured I would start a new thread to find further help.

Set up is 2100BR / 200 ETEC / HO - running a 24 Raker II I had pitched down to 23, this prop works good but boat steers hard.

I purchased a used 24 Trophy Plus on ebay. It is stamped 24 but may not be true to specs not sure. With 2 people in the boat I can get it on plane but takes some time, The prop made the boat feel totally different in a good way but I don't remember what my top RMP was at WOT off hand. With 4 people in the boat I couldn't get the boat on plane at all.
This being said should I try different 24 pitch or am I way off on this? My problem is I have not dealers or anything close to even try one so I am kind of stuck buying one to try I guess.
Also I did just try a 25 Pitch High Five, It was pitched about right but lost some top end speed and could over rev it if I really got after it.
 
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DS280 has a 2100br with a 225 Etec HO running a 26 raker, worked by DAH propellors to add cup. He does have a 10" hydraulic plate but anyway he hits the rev limiter at 77MPH with great holeshot. He can put 6 people in the boat and get a good holeshot.
 
atc250r said:
You have the vent holes wide open in the Trophy?
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Tried all different variations with the plugs from small to large with all in and tried with some out. Never could really notice any big change. Just really really doggy out of hole.
 
ckaluger said:
DS280 has a 2100br with a 225 Etec HO running a 26 raker, worked by DAH propellors to add cup. He does have a 10" hydraulic plate but anyway he hits the rev limiter at 77MPH with great holeshot. He can put 6 people in the boat and get a good holeshot.
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My Raker II I had it worked also, it works great but I don't like the way it steers. It steers really hard compared to the Trophy and the High Five. Wouldn't think you would notice this with hydraulic steering but ya do.
 
Where is your prop centerline at? If it's slipping out of the hole then ts venting too much, I had that happen with a Tempest I tried. Couldn't get enough bite to plane with 2 adults and 2 kids in the boat. If it's just lugging and can't get the boat on top that prop is either way more than a 24 or something ain't right with the motor. My old school carbed 200 will plane with either my 24 Raker or 24 Trophy with 6 in the boat and alone it pops quick.
 
atc250r said:
Where is your prop centerline at? If it's slipping out of the hole then ts venting too much, I had that happen with a Tempest I tried. Couldn't get enough bite to plane with 2 adults and 2 kids in the boat. If it's just lugging and can't get the boat on top that prop is either way more than a 24 or something ain't right with the motor. My old school carbed 200 will plane with either my 24 Raker or 24 Trophy with 6 in the boat and alone it pops quick.
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Definitely not slipping, it bites like is over pitched or something. I think I have a prop that is not is a true 24 and has been reworked or not rebuilt correct or something.
 
Something doesn't sound right for sure. IMHO even if that thing is pitched up to a 26 you should be able to turn it.
 
Might be worth a shot to send Wildman a message since he's the guru on that hull. How much setback are you running? What is your prop height?
 
I am wondering if you have a 1.71 Lightning gearcase. If you post a pic I can let you know. What year is the motor?
With that 3.3L block that boat should leap out of the hole. The Raker is a poor prop on that combo. The Trophy should work unless you have 1,71 gears and then you might be over pitched. What is WOT rpm with the 24 Trophy? Also do you have a jackplate? How high are you? Your motor might be too low for the Trophy.
 
Mark said:
I am wondering if you have a 1.71 Lightning gearcase. If you post a pic I can let you know. What year is the motor?
With that 3.3L block that boat should leap out of the hole. The Raker is a poor prop on that combo. The Trophy should work unless you have 1,71 gears and then you might be over pitched. What is WOT rpm with the 24 Trophy? Also do you have a jackplate? How high are you? Your motor might be too low for the Trophy.
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Motor is 2008, 5.5'' CMC - motor is mounted as high as it can go along with the CMC as high as it will go and is approx. 2.75'' to Center of shaft,
When the 24 was stock / 5600 RPM - prop turned down to 23 and balanced etc now 5900-6000 and was able to run a touch over 65mph or alittle stronger as I remember from last season.
I also think the motor is to low still, Wildman has another new take off CMC I think I will buy so I can try and take it up some more when stacked on the existing one. Maybe this boat is gonna just be that much different than my last 2100LD but It just doesn't trim up & free up like my old boat. When I did get it on plane with that 24 Trophy it did for sure steer better and handle way better than the Raker but still couldn't run it trimmed up where I think it should be.
 
what pitch

I am pretty much beating this problem to death. I went back on my other threads on this from last year and am pretty much repeating myself. Sorry about that!
I think I am gonna spark up another CMC and a different 24 Trophy Plus that I will know is to specs and start playing with different set ups till I find what works.
I guess the main reason I started this thread was to find out if the 24 Pitch is what you guys think I should start with for my set up?
 
It should be close. I would think you could get away with more. My 200 turns my 24 Raker to 6000 on my less efficient Starliner hull. My 24 Trophy Plus about the same. Same setback as you too.
 
That looks like a 1.71 Lightning gearcase but it is a little hard to tell from that angle. It is a much faster case than the Magnum 1.85 but it means you will need a slightly less pitched prop than the guys running 1.85. That is why the Raker worked better pitched down. You are right on the money height wise with 5.5" of setback. The Trophy will run about the same pitch as a Raker. More blades but smaller diameter = same rpm.

What do you mean you cannot trim up the Trophy? Does it start to slip?

Personally I really liked the Fury on these motors, however the 23 (smallest) would run more like the 5600 rpm you were getting before.

mh2508 said:


Motor is 2008, 5.5'' CMC - motor is mounted as high as it can go along with the CMC as high as it will go and is approx. 2.75'' to Center of shaft,
When the 24 was stock / 5600 RPM - prop turned down to 23 and balanced etc now 5900-6000 and was able to run a touch over 65mph or alittle stronger as I remember from last season.
I also think the motor is to low still, Wildman has another new take off CMC I think I will buy so I can try and take it up some more when stacked on the existing one. Maybe this boat is gonna just be that much different than my last 2100LD but It just doesn't trim up & free up like my old boat. When I did get it on plane with that 24 Trophy it did for sure steer better and handle way better than the Raker but still couldn't run it trimmed up where I think it should be.
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Mark said:
That looks like a 1.71 Lightning gearcase but it is a little hard to tell from that angle. It is a much faster case than the Magnum 1.85 but it means you will need a slightly less pitched prop than the guys running 1.85. That is why the Raker worked better pitched down. You are right on the money height wise with 5.5" of setback. The Trophy will run about the same pitch as a Raker. More blades but smaller diameter = same rpm.

What do you mean you cannot trim up the Trophy? Does it start to slip?

Personally I really liked the Fury on these motors, however the 23 (smallest) would run more like the 5600 rpm you were getting before.
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No it doesn't slip. What I mean by that is all my other performance boats I have owned when on plane I would trim them up till the boat felt like it was in its best performing best position. My past 21' checkmates, Allison and Skeeter
when adjusted to where they felt the best all were casting at least a slight to medium roost. When I try trimming this boat up to that area it starts steering even harder and tends to porpose more than I think it should, especially at mid range speeds. That's why I think it needs to come up some more???
I just landed a great deal on new 24 Trophy Plus. The guy bought it brand new couldn't spin it. Figured for what I got it bought for if it doesn't work I shouldn't get hurt on it at all reselling it. I think I will still purchase another CMC manual so I can test taking the motor up some more to see if helps or hurts anything.
 
The 24 Trophy should work well. You will be right around 5600 at that height. If you go further back you will get more bow lift. And I hate to tell you this, but you will get more porpoise not less. These motors have a center of balance way further back than a Merc. You cannot set them up the same way. If you go further back you will need to add trim tabs or Smart Tabs (boatman had a set for sale cheap)

You cannot go much higher without losing lift and speed. I am telling you, you are at the sweet spot now.

I spend hours and hours setting mine up... it is a different animal. In the end I was very happy. 250 HP 3.3L Etec 6" Hyd JP, 2 3/4" below pad, 40# SS smart tabs, 25p Rev 4 (OR 25p Fury @ 3 1/4" below pad) 5800 rpm 70-72 MPH.

You motor is same weigth and only 25-30 less HP than mine. 220ish vs 247ish
 
Mark said:
The 24 Trophy should work well. You will be right around 5600 at that height. If you go further back you will get more bow lift. And I hate to tell you this, but you will get more porpoise not less. These motors have a center of balance way further back than a Merc. You cannot set them up the same way. If you go further back you will need to add trim tabs or Smart Tabs (boatman had a set for sale cheap)

You cannot go much higher without losing lift and speed. I am telling you, you are at the sweet spot now.

I spend hours and hours setting mine up... it is a different animal. In the end I was very happy. 250 HP 3.3L Etec 6" Hyd JP, 2 3/4" below pad, 40# SS smart tabs, 25p Rev 4 (OR 25p Fury @ 3 1/4" below pad) 5800 rpm 70-72 MPH.

You motor is same weigth and only 25-30 less HP than mine. 220ish vs 247ish
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Maybe I will just try the prop only first then. I put hydraulic tabs on last summer so I have that covered.
 
mh2508 said:
Maybe I will just try the prop only first then. I put hydraulic tabs on last summer so I have that covered.
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I am really baffled with your problems. I have a 3 of these boats at my disposal, one of which is a 2009 2100br running a 225HO. When it had only the CMC 5.5 manual jackplate on it, it was all the way up with the motor mounted on the highest holes. It ran a stock 24 Pitch Raker II with out any trouble at all, great hole shot, cruised easily without any proposing or hard steering. We would pull skiers, kneeboards and wakeboards with it and it would still run low 70's. I'm not trying to be a dick but I can't believe you put trim tabs on that boat, it shouldn't need them, you're just band-aiding the real problem. i would start by making sure you're motor is mounted in the centerline of the hull and is mounted square. i would drive by feel and not where you think it should be trimmed too. if you're just cruising then you really shouldn't be trimmed too much past level with pad. Those hulls don't give you the sensation of the bow riding high because of the shape of the hull. If I were closer i would gladly come help you get that thing running like it should. Good Luck!!!
 
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