Which pitch Trophy Plus for 2100

[BADBK]

I have a 10" CMC manual plate and may be driving through your neck of the woods again soon, or have a buddy that goes to SuFu every other week...

You should be able to turn a 25 without any problem though, and not being able to get on plane is crazy. Grab a handful of PVS plugs and play around, the TP like some holes open. No way it should bog your motor down unless you're down a cylinder.

 

[JUPITER PULSARE]

First is setback..you'll need more than the 5.5"/6" that you have. You'll need at least 10-12" of setback. Second is your motor height. The Trophy Plus was designed for high X dimension V/pad bottom boats and can be surfaced. Your propshaft needs to be no more than 1.5" below the pad. Assuming your 200hp motor is running good, you should be able to easily spin a 24 pitch Trophy Plus. Take 2 of the vent plugs completely out. Watch your water pressure/temperature. Keep us posted!

 

[mh2508]

I am really baffled with your problems. I have a 3 of these boats at my disposal, one of which is a 2009 2100br running a 225HO. When it had only the CMC 5.5 manual jackplate on it, it was all the way up with the motor mounted on the highest holes. It ran a stock 24 Pitch Raker II with out any trouble at all, great hole shot, cruised easily without any proposing or hard steering. We would pull skiers, kneeboards and wakeboards with it and it would still run low 70's. I'm not trying to be a dick but I can't believe you put trim tabs on that boat, it shouldn't need them, you're just band-aiding the real problem. i would start by making sure you're motor is mounted in the centerline of the hull and is mounted square. i would drive by feel and not where you think it should be trimmed too. if you're just cruising then you really shouldn't be trimmed too much past level with pad. Those hulls don't give you the sensation of the bow riding high because of the shape of the hull. If I were closer i would gladly come help you get that thing running like it should. Good Luck!!!

Oh don't get me wrong it is not like its terrible, it just feels so much different than my last pulsare. The boat is awesome and I am sure it will be much better when I get a different prop. When I tried that Trophy and the High Five the steering was great and it hooked up in turns to a point of scary.
As for the trim tabs I actually really like them. I only use them when wanting to level out the boat slightly or when wanting to run slower to take away the porposing. I boat on a river that is pretty ugly so I like to slow her down as much as possible when in the bad spots with logs and sandbars. If I stab em both in I can run it pretty flat at about 18 mph still.
Thanks all for the advise again. I will get that prop on and start playing with it when the weather gets nicer here.

 

[Mark]

I am really baffled with your problems. I have a 3 of these boats at my disposal, one of which is a 2009 2100br running a 225HO. When it had only the CMC 5.5 manual jackplate on it, it was all the way up with the motor mounted on the highest holes. It ran a stock 24 Pitch Raker II with out any trouble at all, great hole shot, cruised easily without any proposing or hard steering. We would pull skiers, kneeboards and wakeboards with it and it would still run low 70's. I'm not trying to be a dick but I can't believe you put trim tabs on that boat, it shouldn't need them, you're just band-aiding the real problem.

Many of the guys with these motors on 21' Mates have added tabs. Put 5 or 6 people in boat, run at 25 mph hour and it will porpoise. Fact. It is not bad setup, it is just the rearward balance of that motor. Glad your buddy likes his Raker, they pretty much suck on this motor most of the time.

 

[kalugs22]

Many of the guys with these motors on 21' Mates have added tabs. Put 5 or 6 people in boat, run at 25 mph hour and it will porpoise. Fact. It is not bad setup, it is just the rearward balance of that motor. Glad your buddy likes his Raker, they pretty much suck on this motor most of the time.

I'm not sure where the many guys are that have etecs on 21' mates, I only know of 3 at this moment. The only outboard mates I have seen tabs on are the old MX series. Every other one has a Merc on it for obvious performance reasons. And I have had 6+ people in both a Liner with 13.5" of setback and a 250 ProXS and a Pulsare 2100 with 10" of setback and a 225HO and I can tell you for fact I have been 25mph or less with out porpoising. I will gladly take a video once the weather clears up, we still have a Liner plus 3 differently setup 2100's. And as far as the prop goes the hull/prop combo has more effect than the prop/motor, DAH Propellers told my buddy the Raker is one of the best props for that hull. I'm pretty sure they know their stuff by now. If you want a boat to go 15mph with 10 people on it and not porpoise then buy a pontoon boat! These are performance boats and they are made to go fast and handle well when going fast!

 

[Mark]

I'm not sure where the many guys are that have etecs on 21' mates, I only know of 3 at this moment. The only outboard mates I have seen tabs on are the old MX series. Every other one has a Merc on it for obvious performance reasons. And I have had 6+ people in both a Liner with 13.5" of setback and a 250 ProXS and a Pulsare 2100 with 10" of setback and a 225HO and I can tell you for fact I have been 25mph or less with out porpoising. I will gladly take a video once the weather clears up, we still have a Liner plus 3 differently setup 2100's. And as far as the prop goes the hull/prop combo has more effect than the prop/motor, DAH Propellers told my buddy the Raker is one of the best props for that hull. I'm pretty sure they know their stuff by now. If you want a boat to go 15mph with 10 people on it and not porpoise then buy a pontoon boat! These are performance boats and they are made to go fast and handle well when going fast!

I never said I didn't believe you, but you are being insulting of others who actually own one of these boats. No one said anything about going 15 mph, yet you are implying they don't know how to setup a boat and should buy a pontoon boat. It is not super helpful.
MH2508 has tabs, Skip has tabs, I have tabs. To name 3 on this forum. All of us are running the 3.3L E-tec and all of us saw a much improved ride. It is not a polemic, just a fact.

 

[kalugs22]

I never said I didn't believe you, but you are being insulting of others who actually own one of these boats. No one said anything about going 15 mph, yet you are implying they don't know how to setup a boat and should buy a pontoon boat. It is not super helpful.
MH2508 has tabs, Skip has tabs, I have tabs. To name 3 on this forum. All of us are running the 3.3L E-tec and all of us saw a much improved ride. It is not a polemic, just a fact.

Actually if you want to talk about who owns these boats my dad currently owns a starliner and a 2100br, i own a 2100br, and my buddy owns a 2100br. Though I don't see how I'm insulting anyone. I'm simply implying that the boat is not set up properly I never said they didn't know how to set it up but if they didn't hang the motor themselves then there is no guarantee it's correct. I have remounted a couple that were mounted crooked and off center, typically the older boats that weren't build symmetrical. The pulsare no tabs should perform just like he desires at the speed he wants. Now another big factor will be the jackplate, setting the motor at optimum speed height is not going to go slow very well. A hydraulic JP would be his best move for overall performance and slow cruising ability. Like I stated before if I lived closer I would gladly go help him make it perform like he wants...

 

[john lamon]

There is a guy at my lake with a 2100/ 300 etec and he's got tabs as well.

I know it's a whole different kind of boat but on dads ZT 219 the only time you don't use the tabs is at WFO, anything under 55 it porpoises like crazy without them, yes the drive is down all the way and I know how to drive it, just seems to light on the front end.

 

[BADBK]

I'm not sure where the many guys are that have etecs on 21' mates, I only know of 3 at this moment. The only outboard mates I have seen tabs on are the old MX series. Every other one has a Merc on it for obvious performance reasons. And I have had 6+ people in both a Liner with 13.5" of setback and a 250 ProXS and a Pulsare 2100 with 10" of setback and a 225HO and I can tell you for fact I have been 25mph or less with out porpoising. I will gladly take a video once the weather clears up, we still have a Liner plus 3 differently setup 2100's. And as far as the prop goes the hull/prop combo has more effect than the prop/motor, DAH Propellers told my buddy the Raker is one of the best props for that hull. I'm pretty sure they know their stuff by now. If you want a boat to go 15mph with 10 people on it and not porpoise then buy a pontoon boat! These are performance boats and they are made to go fast and handle well when going fast!

I don't wanna butcher ya, but (espn) c'mon man!

MH is trying to get his setup working for him the best it can with his needs. If he wants tabs, so be it... it will def help w/porpoise at certain speeds. Will it scrub a mph or 2 off WOT? Absolutely, so that's probably not what his ultimate goal is. DAH, fly a kite. My 2100BR was a finnicky SOB with a 300 yamadog on it, only props that "worked" were yami props... I only tried a dozen+ different ones so I guess there's probably a few dozen left I could have tried, but in all reality DAH is not the end all and be all of props. Motor + prop is more important than hull + prop, no question about it. The Pulsare does a lot of things well, they go fast, they tow tubers, they tow skiers, they cruise, they can carry a bunch of folks on a lazy day, which is why so many people like them. Top speed is not the end all and be all for most.... Lastly the ETEC HO's will hang with Mercs, I'd bet on it!

Happy boating.

 

[atc250r]

I think with the extra weight of the OMC the boat may react differently that with a Merc. I can't see the tabs hurting top speed at all unless you purposely shove them all the way down. If your running at a good pace and have them pulled up they shouldn't be touching the water.

 

[mh2508]

I have a 10" CMC manual plate and may be driving through your neck of the woods again soon, or have a buddy that goes to SuFu every other week...

You should be able to turn a 25 without any problem though, and not being able to get on plane is crazy. Grab a handful of PVS plugs and play around, the TP like some holes open. No way it should bog your motor down unless you're down a cylinder.

Badbk - I overlooked this post. Thanks for the offer but if I try anything I will need to double up the 5.5s so I can get it up high enough or should I say to high so I can find out if it helps or hurts. Do you see any other Checkmates out there in that part of the state? Between my buddys and I here in town we have 3 - 2100s & a 2400. Havent seen any others around this area other than I did see one down by Omaha 2 years ago when I boated down there from here.

 

[mh2508]

I don't wanna butcher ya, but (espn) c'mon man!

MH is trying to get his setup working for him the best it can with his needs. If he wants tabs, so be it... it will def help w/porpoise at certain speeds. Will it scrub a mph or 2 off WOT? Absolutely, so that's probably not what his ultimate goal is. DAH, fly a kite. My 2100BR was a finnicky SOB with a 300 yamadog on it, only props that "worked" were yami props... I only tried a dozen+ different ones so I guess there's probably a few dozen left I could have tried, but in all reality DAH is not the end all and be all of props. Motor + prop is more important than hull + prop, no question about it. The Pulsare does a lot of things well, they go fast, they tow tubers, they tow skiers, they cruise, they can carry a bunch of folks on a lazy day, which is why so many people like them. Top speed is not the end all and be all for most.... Lastly the ETEC HO's will hang with Mercs, I'd bet on it!

Happy boating.

Yes you are correct on the tabs, I put the LED gauges in also so I know where they are at all the time. If I want to run fast I just pick them up and they go well above the bottom of the boat.
As far as the Etec hanging with with the mercs my buddy has a 225 merc with hydraulic jack on his 2100 and I pull away from him. Really makes him mad when I slower down with the tabs for a nice cruise down the river to enjoy the sights and he cant run that slow. I didn't meantion quiet! We can still have the sterio blaring, run 40 mph and still talk. I love the ETEC, I am just trying to get my setup dialed in a bit better.

 

[mh2508]

First is setback..you'll need more than the 5.5"/6" that you have. You'll need at least 10-12" of setback. Second is your motor height. The Trophy Plus was designed for high X dimension V/pad bottom boats and can be surfaced. Your propshaft needs to be no more than 1.5" below the pad. Assuming your 200hp motor is running good, you should be able to easily spin a 24 pitch Trophy Plus. Take 2 of the vent plugs completely out. Watch your water pressure/temperature. Keep us posted!

I am gonna find out one way or the other. I changed my mind again, found another used CMC here local to try on it to raise it up and got a new trophy coming.
Are you suggesting 2 small plugs and 2 completely out? Also with or without Cav ring installed??

 

[mh2508]

update after testing

Had a very nice calm day here yesterday so I started trying some things on my boat after getting new prop and another used CMC in.
I put the 24 Trophy Plus on with 2 small vents / 2 large vents and a cav ring. It made a huge difference in the boat. It launched out of the hole and I was able to get 65 mph out of it and was running 6100 RMP. I think that is on the high end RPM for ETEC? The boat performed much better but still seems like the motor needs to go up.
I then returned home and install another CMC behind my existing to try. I set the center of prop at approx. 1.5''. This made a huge difference. The boat now steered like a dream and performed great. No matter what I did I couldn't get the prop to blow out, even turning sharp when taking off it just jumps out of the water.
All that being said my only complaint now with the 11'' offset I seem to have quite abit of bow lift that I didn't have with just 5.5'' offset. I contribute this to the heavier ETEC motor and additional weight of the added CMC along with the motor now being back farther. This has me wondering if anyone makes a 5 or 6'' manual lift that will go higher than the 5.5'' inch raise that the CMC offers????? I would like the shorter offset with more lift if possible so I can run the motor higher and reduce the bow lift. If anyone knows or has any other suggestions please let me know.

 

[boatman4021]

I have no idea how the non black motors react, but I can tell you for sure that a 2100 with a Merc 225efi or optimax with 1.75 gears will turn a 26 or bigger Trophy+. My 20ft Pulsare was slapping the rev limiter with a 28 and 1.75 gears. Can't be that much difference between 1.71 and 1.75. I do know that on a merc, the difference between 1.62's and 1.75's is equal to 2" of pitch. But you have to get the motor up high! If all 4 blades are still completely submerged, you are killing off a lot of rpm's. That boat should turn a 26 or 27 Trophy into the high 70's. With that motor, I would put a 6" Bob's hyd on top of the 5.5 cmc.