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Anyone else notice this on the CM website?

Anyone considering a refurbish should consider C/M -- Hey if it keeps them in Bizz through these rough times we all benifit from that. Just stay away from the wiring :( That I would do myself or take elsewhere.;)
 
I personally don't think any whole Checkmate would be worth the cost of paying the factory for a refurbish job. New interior yes the entire boat no. The only way I feel that it could be justified if it had sentimental value.
 
Big Red said:
I personally don't think any whole Checkmate would be worth the cost of paying the factory for a refurbish job. New interior yes the entire boat no. The only way I feel that it could be justified if it had sentimental value.
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Well, there's plenty of shops which do major boat repair and restorations, so there's obviously a market for that kind of work. I might be wrong but I'd guess that Checkmate would be in line with what those guys charge, at least the reputable ones. Take that one step further, if Checkmate's not in line with what other good shops charge they won't be doing much repair work will they? And who better to do major repairs than the people who built your boat in the first place?
 
groundloop said:
Well, there's plenty of shops which do major boat repair and restorations, so there's obviously a market for that kind of work. I might be wrong but I'd guess that Checkmate would be in line with what those guys charge, at least the reputable ones. Take that one step further, if Checkmate's not in line with what other good shops charge they won't be doing much repair work will they? And who better to do major repairs than the people who built your boat in the first place?
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Major refurbish please tell me what you consider major refurbish. I consider that to be

Floors, interior, wiring, paint or gel, and if it needs that it also needs gauges, lights, cleats and everything else bolted to it to make it look good. And lets not forget what it cost for engine work. You cant paint a car and put rusted bumpers back on it.

Please show me one Checkmate that's worth the money it would cost to have this work preformed at the factory. Some boats may be worth the cost of this but I feel no Checkmate is. Your better off buying another one that somebody took care of in the first place
 
To me and a lot of other people out there, re doing a older boat is a better option than buying new. I can not nor will I ever pay $50k+ for a new boat when I use it for 5-6 months out of the year. So to me buying a older boat and redoing everything on it is easier to pocket than new. I do like some of the new boats but some I don't like. I love the classic lines of my enchanter. There is just not many left that don't need overhauled. Add to that, a built motor, custom interior, custom paint, and what ever gauges and hardware you want. IMO its a better option than a new off the mold boat. My boat next to a newer boat, mine gets a lot more attention. Now I will say if I had to pay someone to do the work, it would be a toss as to what was a better ideal.

To agree with red, spend extra money up front and you will have less into it than restoring one.........but then again, it will only be a stock looking boat. Or buy one that someone else has already redone. Let them take the loss on it
 
yellowfiero88 said:
To me and a lot of other people out there, re doing a older boat is a better option than buying new. I can not nor will I ever pay $50k+ for a new boat when I use it for 5-6 months out of the year. So to me buying a older boat and redoing everything on it is easier to pocket than new. I do like some of the new boats but some I don't like. I love the classic lines of my enchanter. There is just not many left that don't need overhauled. Add to that, a built motor, custom interior, custom paint, and what ever gauges and hardware you want. IMO its a better option than a new off the mold boat. My boat next to a newer boat, mine gets a lot more attention. Now I will say if I had to pay someone to do the work, it would be a toss as to what was a better ideal.

To agree with red, spend extra money up front and you will have less into it than restoring one.........but then again, it will only be a stock looking boat. Or buy one that someone else has already redone. Let them take the loss on it
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All valid points YF, It is easier to pay to restore one on a tight budget also, being that you can spread the resto over a few years rather than coming up with 50k or making Payments, My neighbor at the lake paid $1000.00 for his 1976 tri-mate 2 I/O three years ago and now has 19k into it, most people say he is crazy for spending that kind of money on a 34 year old boat, his response is he has a brand new 34 year old boat that he's alway's wanted and it only cost him $19k , he did it up real good, new 4.3 EFI and drive, paint and interior. I'll have to get some pics for you guy's.

There's both good and bad points to restoring one, I guess it depends what you want.
 
I am not knocking the guy restoring his own boat a little at a time. I am talking about taking a worn out rotted boat to Checkmate and paying them to do a full resto job. And this payment will be one lump sum
 
Big Red said:
I am talking about taking a worn out rotted boat to Checkmate and paying them to do a full resto job. And this payment will be one lump sum
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I fully agree that this would be a bad move and you would be, like you said better off finding one that someone took care of in the first place, JW's boat come's to mind, outstanding shape for a 92'
 
Big Red said:
Major refurbish please tell me what you consider major refurbish. I consider that to be

Floors, interior, wiring, paint or gel, and if it needs that it also needs gauges, lights, cleats and everything else bolted to it to make it look good. And lets not forget what it cost for engine work. You cant paint a car and put rusted bumpers back on it.

Please show me one Checkmate that's worth the money it would cost to have this work preformed at the factory. Some boats may be worth the cost of this but I feel no Checkmate is. Your better off buying another one that somebody took care of in the first place
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Red
A full restoration is not about compring prices. No matter what you are restoring a boat -- car ect. Generally it is about something that is no longer produced. A model boat or car that you can't buy anymore. The most important reason is your love of what you are restoring. I have done ground up restorations (well my family has) and I will tel you it was never about comparing to the new car or boat that was being marketed today.
You make a stong point anyone doing a restoration or refubising to save money would be better to buy a new bare hull and do all wiring - rigging ect. them selves.

Checkmate is not given alot of credit. They are around a long time. They as Hydrostream --Donzi and Cigarette are the staples of the american performance boating industry. Though they are no longer manufactured by the same "Old Dogs"!!! They still have alot of history.
The Classic Donzis and the 21 Pulsare have been pooped out of the same molds for a long time now. (Can not speak for the rest of the Mates).
It comes down to whatever floats your boat.;)
 
I am going to stop posting on this subject and let time do the talking. Because I do not see anybody dumb enough on this board to take a warn out Checkmate to CM for a complete restoration.

And to get the story straight I am not just talking about interior. I am talking about what it takes to do a full restoration on a boat, the way some people on this board did to their boats.

For instance "john lamon's" buddy that stuck 19K in a 76 trimate. What do you think the labor bill from Checkmate would be on 19K worth of work. Damn it would have to be at least 10 grand.

I give Checkmate a lot of credit for still offering all the parts and interior the way they do. That's another reason why I like Checkmate unlike other boat companies that you cant buy stuff if the boat is 10 years old
 
groundloop said:
That boat is SHARP :thumb:.

If you don't mind me asking, approximately how much did the interior cost from the factory? (That might be an option I want to consider).
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Mine was $2100, but I drove to the factory and backed my truck right in to the pallet. It filled the whole bed and has some weight. The shipping might be costly, I guess.:)
 
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