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Enticer Overhaul

Updates- few questions

thanks for the info pulse!

So heres a few pics with some questions, first few of the zuke off the boat on the stand i threw together. Then my question is, how well do I have to support the hull when im doing the core repair? ive put in some pics of the trailer supports, unfortunately she has to stay on the trailer during the overhaul, but i was thinking of adding support but dont know if its best done at the sides, under the area of repair or somewhere in the middle. for reference in the last pic of the back rollers where the pad sits on the roller, on the inside on either side of the pad there is where the two big areas of rot in the core are... and i think that roller has a lot of weight on it, im guessin i might want to alleviate some of that weight so the roller doesnt come up through the hull hahaha. Havent taken any inside pics yet, waitin on my new grinder to get delivered to finish cleanin it all out.

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CORE WORK

So I shored up the hull a little with bunks on the outside edge above the fenders where its kinda flat. and then started cuttin into the inner skin. heres what i found on one side
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and after cleaning it out a little
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and after following wet balsa till I found dry balsa
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as you can see it looks to me that the water must have gotten into the core from where the worst rot was, through the inner skin where there was no foam... and i guess water just sat there, then ran along the big piece of plywood that makes up the pad, most of whats cleaned out in that last pic is to dry, not rotted balsa, and i figure ill grind out another inch at least to make sure. Ive also gotta do the other side but heres a few questions for everyone. How thick is the outer skin? is is just mat and then the gelcoat?

that main pad peice of wood is wet in a few spots, but doesnt appear to have any rot or soft spots.... can i let it dry out and replace just the balsa around it?(im guessin theres no way I would be able to replace that wood itself. or is this so far gone that i should drive the boat to the dump?

and another question, as you can see the rot extends up to the where the floor met the hull, and even under there, how far does this balsa core go under there, or does it close up cause it looks like theres a level switch here where the balsa is then even with where the floor sat. heres a pic, i cleaned out about an inch or so under where the floor joint was, but im hoping that this is separate, as the balsa above the floor joint looks fine and doesnt appear to be rotted.
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so aside from all that im just crossin my fingers that i dont go out there sometime this week and have my trailer rollers coming through the outer skin from not enough support haha, and that its fixable. lemme know what you guys think.
 
It's never to far gone if your willing to put the time and effort n. The Hydrostream guys recore thier entire boats all the time. I think you should get it off your trailer if there is any way possible. your floor looks pretty good if it's level and smooth set the boat right on the flor and brace it at the chines.
 
Taking it off the trailer isnt an option unfortunately. not sure if theres any other way to support it better on the trailer.
 
ya, I would get it off those rollers. atleast put more boards under it and raise it off the rollers to even out the weight
 
guess Ill work on puttin more bunks under there for now, figure i can leave the bow on the front roller as theres no work goin on up there, and then bunk up the back with four or five foot long bunks.

any help on the other stuff? especially about the coring going up under the floor joint and the plywood that makes up the pad??? Coop??? and input?
 
anybody???? hello???? haha i know more of you guys should be able to help me than that... could really use some advice
 
i dumped mine right on the ground sitting on a plank, then stabilized at the back corners. gettting it as level as possible. then i wedged some 2x10's to keep it's shape - i should know in the next week or so if it worked.
 
so almost done cleaning out all the balsa I plan on replacing on one side the rot ran all the way back under the transom but I then discovered that the transom isnt as neatly fitted to the hall as I would have done, pics to come but theres basically an inch and a half of bondo between the pad wood and the bottom of the transom wood, so i think Ill have to do that in two parts, do most of the balsa work with a single layer of roving over the top, then when I pull the transom out, do the bit under there, and tie it back into the transom skin and a big piece of roving over the whole shebang.
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still debating what to do with that pad peice, since it seems mostly ok I was tossing around the idea of just reinforcing it a bit, maybe another piece of plywood right on top of it or something, not really sure... also figured out that the core is all one peice and that ledge I was fooling with was just more bondo used to smooth the edge of the floor.... note to future floor removers haha. Gonna start ordering the balsa and glass stuff here sometime... kinda waiting to see if this pay raise I might be getting is actually gonna happen. Ill get pics up sometime soon as well... not sure how much of this i can get done before the cold really settles in, whats the lowest recommended temp to do glass work?
 
Update

so I'm basically waiting for some warmer temps to put the core back together, and doing as much as possible for the future jobs, Ive pulled the rubrail and all associated rivets, so I can just pull the deck when I get the core done. Today I started cutting into the transom, and its a good thing you all convinced me to do it. The inner sheet of plywood actually was still pretty good and solid... but as i got deeper.. the second sheet against the back of the boat was completely wet and black... some of the moisture def had oil and gas mixed into it. Im guessing from water coming in the bolt holes from around the engine. Ill try to take some pics to show you guys how crazy the difference between the two sheets is.
 
Hey hart, good thing you tore into that just to be sure. I've got the pictures of what I've done to this point but photobucket or my computer aren't working and I can't get them to upload. Give me your email and I'll send ya some.
 
sent ya a PM, Im curious to see how yours is coming without pulling the deck, ive decided to pull the deck, thought it was gonna be a pain, but had a friend come over who wanted to help and had him drill all the rivets around the rubrail.... only took him around 15 minutes, so Ive gotta figure out how im gonna reattach it, but have a bit of time to think that through
 
updates on the overhaul coming soon. quick question for you guys though, whats everyone using for replacement drains for the bilge and splashwell when you throw a new transom in?
 
teamhart2 said:
so I'm basically waiting for some warmer temps to put the core back together, and doing as much as possible for the future jobs, Ive pulled the rubrail and all associated rivets, so I can just pull the deck when I get the core done. Today I started cutting into the transom, and its a good thing you all convinced me to do it. The inner sheet of plywood actually was still pretty good and solid... but as i got deeper.. the second sheet against the back of the boat was completely wet and black... some of the moisture def had oil and gas mixed into it. Im guessing from water coming in the bolt holes from around the engine. Ill try to take some pics to show you guys how crazy the difference between the two sheets is.
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Found the same was true w/ mine; some layers in good shape and others black and rotting. Hopefully I'll have pics posted on my transom removal this weekend; been abit lazy here of late.

FYI, I started out by cutting a checkerboard pattern thru the first few layers of the inside transom. The glass and the wet wood came out somewhat easily using a 2" wood chisel; however, CM used alot of staples in my transom and it played havoc w/ the chisel. Got most of the glass and about a third of the top layer off before I changed tactics(took almost 3 days of off and on work and wasn't looking forward to anymore cutting and chiseling).

I was able to carefully seperate the wet wood next to the outer skin by using a long steel chisel I seperated it approximately 6" down from the top. I then used my grinder to cut and grind the glass and putty down to the wood along the outer edges of the inside transom. Next I cut 4 wood wedges about 16" long and began wedging them from the top between the outer skin and the wood. I did this very slowly so I wouldn't over stress the skin. I could hear the wood seperating from the glass and once the wedges were driven all the way to the bottom and I couldn't hear any more seperation I gave the top of the wood a good shove and it poped right out.:) Now I have a pattern for the new transom:thumb: Had I kept going w/ the chisel I would have had alot more work ahead of me and the transom in hundreds of pieces. Good luck and keep us posted.

Hick
 
fantastic oldhick, I actually got some work on it this weekend, and with some help from my brother got the transom out.... pretty much the exact same way as you, I used an old handsaw to slide down between the skin and that last thin sheet. not sure if Im gonna rebuild with just two 3/4 sheets or if Ill add in that 1/4 sheet that came out last for my new pattern.

Gotta get myself motivated though, would like to be on the water by the big 4th as I got invited to a bigass party at my buddies lakehouse.
 
th2,

Glad you got it out w/o problems. Wasn't sure how far you were into it....so I thought I'd pass it along. That cut and chip was a real PIA. Glad to know I wasn't far off the reservation w/ my removal.

Hick
 
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