Checkmates NEW 40 footer

[RNGRDVE]

I know but it doesn't hurt to ask. Maybe some teaser pics will calm a few folks down.

 

[OFFSHORE GINGER]

Jeff , just curious what power are you going to be running Sterling ,Ilmor , Merc . or your local builder tom , and are you going to be hanging # 6's dry sumps off the back ? Jeff not to be rude but .................... having the mold to do this build does not necessarily mean you are going to have the same wave crushing boat that was built to a different set of standards or should i say..... like a Brick ***** house considering Checkmate is a production boat and totaty out of there leaque when it comes to building a boat of this quality , and the reason behind my thinking is .......... there layup in the past was much to be desired which often looked like a 10 year old did the layup using chop and woven roving for just about everything with wood not fully encapsulated along with weep holes not properly sealed , ect , ect . Jeff , i guess the bottom line is .... unless Checkmate has went to a different lay up schedule during this time or ( build ) i would have a few major concerns involving this matter just on that fact alone because we both know that Lake Mich can , and will kick your azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . Just my 2 cents .

 

[onthehammer]

Completely new schedule, materials etc......lots of time and energy spent on this and it will be a massive wave crusher and quite frankly a better engineered and designed piece than has been before. The dollars spent on engineering alone are countless. The men behind that part are amazing to say the least. This will not be a dissapointment and will put a lot of people in check. When the boat hits the water (soon) we will keep everyone in the loop. Trust me, I want everyone to know about this when the time is right.

 

[boatman4021]

Just my opinion, but what I have seen inside the factory, quality has been stepped way up regardless of the rumours and the Doug bashing!

 

[OFFSHORE GINGER]

Hey guys i apologize to everyone on this thread if you feel that i an trying to bash Checkmate Boat Co because that is not my intention considering over the last few years i seem to have done more structural repairs on Check's from stringers , transom's , floors , ect ,ect , then any other one brand or make of boat due to the lack of craftsmanship in the past , and to tell you the truth i for one am glad to hear that they have stepped up the quality of there build . Hey guy's , once again i apologize if i have offended anyone because i meant no harm ,and Jeff ........i cant wait to see the new Wave crusher or hear it out on the big lake .

 

[jln]

Mates have been around for a very long time , some boats live a rough life and are often mis treated and rot sets in, Checks do have alot of wood and are more of an old school built boat. but they are repaired because they are worth repairing to most owners. I have had a Checkmate since 97 and always keep my boats out of the water and under cover. and i know there are plenty of others who do the same . if a Checkmate of any year was taken care of and not abused it often times stands the test of time as good as or better than most.

 

[Craig]

Jeff , just curious what power are you going to be running Sterling ,Ilmor , Merc . or your local builder tom , and are you going to be hanging # 6's dry sumps off the back ? Jeff not to be rude but .................... having the mold to do this build does not necessarily mean you are going to have the same wave crushing boat that was built to a different set of standards or should i say..... like a Brick ***** house considering Checkmate is a production boat and totaty out of there leaque when it comes to building a boat of this quality , and the reason behind my thinking is .......... there layup in the past was much to be desired which often looked like a 10 year old did the layup using chop and woven roving for just about everything with wood not fully encapsulated along with weep holes not properly sealed , ect , ect . Jeff , i guess the bottom line is .... unless Checkmate has went to a different lay up schedule during this time or ( build ) i would have a few major concerns involving this matter just on that fact alone because we both know that Lake Mich can , and will kick your azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . Just my 2 cents .

I've owned a lot of Checkmates (80's models through current) and have never had one layed up using a chop gun...they have been hand laid and with multi-directional glass mat. All drain holes glassed and wood covered. Some of the early Starflites I had may have had standard woven mat but never chopped glass.

-Craig

 

[Craig]

Hey guys i apologize to everyone on this thread if you feel that i an trying to bash Checkmate Boat Co because that is not my intention considering over the last few years i seem to have done more structural repairs on Check's from stringers , transom's , floors , ect ,ect , then any other one brand or make of boat due to the lack of craftsmanship in the past , and to tell you the truth i for one am glad to hear that they have stepped up the quality of there build . Hey guy's , once again i apologize if i have offended anyone because i meant no harm ,and Jeff ........i cant wait to see the new Wave crusher or hear it out on the big lake .

I find this repair statement hard to believe....but if you say so.

I have not seen or heard of any manufacturing process or materials changes recently or not so recenlty for that matter.....and my last 6 checkamtes were a 2000, 2001, 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2012.

-Craig

 

[hotdaddy27]

I find this repair statement hard to believe....but if you say so.

I have not seen or heard of any manufacturing process or materials changes recently or not so recenlty for that matter.....and my last 6 checkamtes were a 2000, 2001, 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2012.

-Craig

You don't keep 'em long enought to get out of warranty, never mind fall apart!

LOL

 

[hotdaddy27]

This will not be a dissapointment and will put a lot of people in check.

I can't wait to hear the haters (with their crackmate jokes) when this thing rolls out!!!!

Again

HD

 

[teamhart2]

.... considering Checkmate is a production boat and totaty out of there leaque when it comes to building a boat of this quality , and the reason behind my thinking is .......... there layup in the past was much to be desired which often looked like a 10 year old did the layup using chop and woven roving for just about everything with wood not fully encapsulated along with weep holes not properly sealed , ect , ect .

True or not, thems fightin words in these parts


though I did have some fun redoing parts of my hull, floor, transom etc, not sure I would expect more from some other common methods on a 20 year old boat that was left in water for extended periods of time, unless you got rid of wood completely (wave of the future, crossing fingers).

 

[Craig]

You don't keep 'em long enought to get out of warranty, never mind fall apart!

LOL

That's funny....but I have them long enoguh to nose around inside of them to see how they are built. -Craig

 

[OFFSHORE GINGER]

Craig , i am not going to get into a pissing match about chop or Matt like you mentioned in post # 87 ,and if that is the case what fabric did they use for there skin coat WOVEN ROVING ....................... Graig , just a quick mention everything ......that i have worked on lately is prior to the year 2000 ,and non the less regardless of what you think Checks are a production made boat .

 

[RNGRDVE]

I think it's time for a couple guys to get off their and get back on topic. This pissing match has gone off focus from what matters. Checkmate is building a 40'er, Some will like it, some won't. All this debate about how it is being built when only a few people really know how it is being built is pointless.
Hey Ginger if you don't like Checkmates or the quality and just want to bash them why are you here?

 

[Craig]

Craig , i am not going to get into a pissing match about chop or Matt like you mentioned in post # 87 ,and if that is the case what fabric did they use for there skin coat WOVEN ROVING ....................... Graig , just a quick mention everything ......that i have worked on lately is prior to the year 2000 ,and non the less regardless of what you think Checks are a production made boat .

Pissing match? I never said they weren't a production boat.

RE: Woven Roving - From Checkmate's literature "After the gelcoat is set and cured, the first layer of fiberglass is hand-laid into the mold. This initial step is known as the “skin out.” The fiberglass adheres to the gelcoat and creates a one-piece bond. Checkmate uses several layers of fiberglass, cloth, 1708 and mat. Each layer that is created gives strength and durability."

I don't think they were doing it any different prior to 2000.

-Craig

 

[JUPITER PULSARE]

OK..time to add my two cents worth! As far as mold and gelcoat work goes, Checkmate is second to none. Their balsa core work is also very well done. Where they've lacked in the past was the stringer/bulkhead/flooring workmanship. Poorly controlled laminating, sloppy glass work, raw wood left unprotected, etc. etc. This is why many older Checkmates get rebuilt. Unlike Hydrostreams where the core is the main culprit, Checkmates failures lie in the structure under the floor. I understand the desire to keep the costs of boat building down..especially during a bad economy..but if Checkmate switched to high density PVC coring materials (Mantex, Coosa Board, Airex PXC, etc.) for their stringers, transoms, bulkheads, etc. none of their boats would require rebuilding today. Glassing the topdeck and hull around the entire perimeter would also help the structural integrity of the final product along with vacuum bagging during the layup. All these suggestions are time consuming and costly that would have to be passed to the consumer. As far as this 40'?? Checkmate that is being built......I'm sure Checkmate is going the xtra measure to make this boat outstanding in every way. If they're going to enter the "high end custom" offshore world they will have to compete with the likes of Hustler, Outerlimits, Active Thunder, Eliminator, DCB, Skater, Spectra, Sonic, etc. Unless they've built an entire new mold...the only new 40+' mold I know of in the last 10 years came out of the defunct lawsuit "Apache" out of Delray Beach. Alot of talent went into retooling and straightening out the old 41' Apache mold including Steve Koss, Steve Wilson, Bob Sacente, etc. After they lost the lawsuit to McManus, I'm not sure where that 41' mold went??? But it was bad azz and would've built an incredible boat!!! Sacente had a 41' mold with xtremely turned down outer chines that were built as "Chiefs"...only a few were made...including one 37' Chief based on the Active Thunder 37' AVH mold.....which brings me back to reality....what 40' mold are they using for this project??

 

[OFFSHORE GINGER]

Craig it is very obvious that you do know much about boat building and fabric considering Chop Strand Mat is a general purpose reinforcement material . It is composed of (CHOPPED FIBERGLASS) of various lengths that are held togather with a chemical binder which is commonly used because of its low cost and the good bond that is provides between layers of woven roving or fiberglass cloth , and 1708 is a Biaxial with a layer of (CHOPPED MATT) stitiched into the fabric which is commonly used with Vinyl or Poly .

 

[jln]

Ginger, really whats your point . everyone on this forum knows Checkmates have there flaws. you cant expect ferrari quality at a chevy price. you seem to know alot about boat construction and you could become an asset or an ass to this forum, your choice.

 

[jazzy]

i think everybody needs to relax a little there are a lot worse things in this world than being called a production boat, fountain was a production boat, so was donzi anybody complaining about those names and hell just for the fun of it checkmate is better sheerly because they are still in buisness.
offshore ginger you do make some very valid points and raise some good concerns seeing as this is a very large project for the factory and something relatively new to these guys(not boat building but just one this large) but as on the hammer said they did their homework so hey lets give em the benefit of the doubt and see how she runs in the water cause thats all that matters. also i am well aware of your building prowess but maybe some of the other members here are not possibly you should start an introduction thread and show off some of your previous work just so we all know where you are coming from when you make points from a building perspective

 

[boatman4021]

I used to work in a boat factory of much lower quality than Cmate. There is a huge difference between using your so called chopped matt versus a chopper gun which to the best of my knowledge, has never been one on Checkmate property. Those of us who own Cmates or have owned them in the past, we know what they are and how they are put together. For those who don't like them, go join a gayliner site.