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Finally bought a Starliner.

Almost time to start testing. YAYYYYY!!!
Been in a pet friendly hotel (8 mnth old choc lab pup threw up 3 times last night!)in Cincy 1 wk and one to go. All goes well, we close on the new place this Friday.
Fingers crossed.

Had a V-8 bought until discovering it had a bad cylinder and gave it back.

The 3.3 got loaded in the moving truck and is in storage somewhere waiting on us.
Have run the boat a couple more times and w/a light load I've seen 61 indicated. Hull is still glued to the water. Either the motor needs to come down (no tools to change, to this point) to give the prop bite or that prop goes bye bye. I voted for the latter.
I bought a 23" Merc Tempest (14 5/8") diameter and drilled if for a JohnRude.

We are 15 mins east of a nice inland lake (Ceasers) for testing and I'm dying to get started hopefully next week. Weather (now) is near perfect and the lake is vacant through wk.
Will change props first and see what I get.
Then into the new barn where I hook the lift to the motor and install 2" set back spacers and re-test.
After that I'll pull the spacers and mount the 10" hydraulic plate. This will take some work as I don't think I have the sloop in steering cables to move the motor that far back. I have a Seastar ram on the 3.3 that Ill mount to the 3.0 and convert the boat to hydraulic steering and re-test.
At that point the 3.0 will be done, retired and replaced.(anyone need a virgin/classic 225?)

The 3.3 will need broke in an dialed as it is a totally unproven package and will eat some additional time. Depending on work, it may be Spring before it comes to life.
If it doesn't get the job done then I go V-8 shopping. Again.

I'll post results here.
Good or bad ;)

Gary
 
Instigator said:
At that point the 3.0 will be done, retired and replaced.(anyone need a virgin/classic 225?)
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Gary - love the look of this setup. Think of me when you decide to move the 225!

I had a 3cyl 70hp Johnson VRO of the same era on my grandfathers old 16' deep-v boat back in Ireland (my grandfather bought the engine new in 1986 after winning 10k irish pounds on a lottery scratch card - he pissed off his family that day!!!) and I always loved the look.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152165305761485&l=449f0a3167

I reckon it would look sweet on my white Starliner. Then I'll move my 150 Yammie to the irish boat when I ship it out here in the not too distant future.
 
Will do. Checked the picture of your Grandpa and thats way cool!
Really like your Liner too.

This 225 is one of the cleanest, unmolested loopers I've seen from that era. All stickers are in tact!
Paint has minor fading but will buff to a shine which I plan to do when listing it.
It has never been down (or heads off) and compression is perfect. I really liked that the previous owner left the VRO intact too. Most pull them from the old motors thinking they're preserving them but I've never opened a motor burned down from a bad VRO.
I've tried to blow up several of my hot rod motors that still ran VRO's and never did. The one on my STV (while stock) turned 7300 @ 100 MPH every time out and I was still running the VRO ;)
I am running VRO on my hot rod 3.3 I built thats going on this boat too.

The '91 on it now has the low compression gaskets OMC used back in the day but I have a set of the late era version that are about .007" thinner that would add some low end and mid range to this motor w/a 1/2 hr's work.
Can pull the baffles out of the air box for more, 2.7 heads for more..........

knarloid said:
Gary - love the look of this setup. Think of me when you decide to move the 225!

I had a 3cyl 70hp Johnson VRO of the same era on my grandfathers old 16' deep-v boat back in Ireland (my grandfather bought the engine new in 1986 after winning 10k irish pounds on a lottery scratch card - he pissed off his family that day!!!) and I always loved the look.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152165305761485&l=449f0a3167

I reckon it would look sweet on my white Starliner. Then I'll move my 150 Yammie to the irish boat when I ship it out here in the not too distant future.
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Thanks for the details. Good to know.

That actually wasn't my grandfather, but an old friend who I used to boat with regularly at Classic Motor Boat rallies in the UK for a few years. That was in Cardiff harbor in Wales at their main annual rally.
My grandfather left the boat to me in 2007 when he passed. I spent a few years doing it up to get it running and usable again - including removing the VRO!!! :rof:
It's an early 70's Avenger, 16' deep-v. Classic offshore Don Shead design. One of it's big brothers (HTS Apache) still races in the Cowes-Torquay-Cowes race each year on the south of England.
I always loved the lines of the hull:
http://www.classicoffshore.com/restorations_htsapache.php
 
Huh...I have an 89 in the exact same color combo, but I also have the rails down the sides. Very clean look without the rails. I prefer the rails on boats that were intended to have them, but it looks like yours was intended without...looks awesome by the way.

What's the black rectangle in the walk thru?
 
Thanks for the compliments guys.

Sam, I was just looking at those pix's and thinking that it might look cool w/a wrap around railing around the bow opening.
Will be functional once I get it running proper like ;)
Is that what you're referring to?

It looks good w/the white motor but I think it will really pop w/this on it.
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knarloid said:
Sam - I was wondering if it was the stereo.
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Sorry, missed that. Yep, stereo.

knarloid, read/re-read your previous post's. Very cool.
Always liked those boats. I grew up on my parents cruiser on Lake Erie and there were several around there.
On that motor (great history), one of THE best outboard designs of all time. In the classes they were raced in, they were untouchable.
On a 3 point hydro their kilo record is way over a 100.
 
Wow - you certainly did a fantastic job restoring that 3cyl!

I sold mine in early 2010 to get something bigger as the boat was rated up to a 150hp. It was bulletproof at that stage after I got it serviced.
Have always regretted selling it because I bought a 140hp Tower of power (to have an engine more in keeping with the age of the boat) which gave me nothing but trouble ever since up until I left for the US in early 2011.
It still sits on the boat under covers in Ireland. When I ship it out here and restore, I'll replace it and sell to someone willing to tune it up properly and hopefully move my 150 Yammie onto it for some serious power! ;)

The Liner then gets something over 200hp. :D
 
knarloid said:
I bought a 140hp Tower of power (to have an engine more in keeping with the age of the boat) which gave me nothing but trouble ever since
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I get it. I know all about the in-line 6's and their worshipers and I've never been a fan and would never own one.

If I had that boat I'd go find a big bore, V-4 OMC looper to drop on it.
Easy to get 170 - 180 HP's out of one.
Same weight as the in-line, twice the torque, 10 times easier to work on and bullet proof when done right.
I'd paint it for the proper era and you'd have something.

Yrs ago I bought and old ('69) 16' Mate and put a 135 HP V-4 cross flow on it.
Even w/the low compression head gaskets and no set up it ran 60 MPH and was one of the most fun boats to drive that I ever owned.
I put a removable ski pylon on that boat and I drop 2" pitch and slalom ski behind it.
W/3 in the boat and me on a skinny/fast ski, it'd try to pull my arms off.
loved that boat.

Was a great one for the Checkmate nay setters too. Sat outside, uncovered in a corn field it's entire life.
I painted it, rigged it, and ran it.
Zero rot.
 
Congrats on the move. the starliner looks sweet. I will be on Caesar lake saturday testdiving a persuader if all goes well. Gonna move over to the car motor side. ha ha. I gonna build the looper on my pulse like we talked back in june (I think) over the winter then sell it in the spring. May need some advice.
 
Gary,

My 99 200 Looper liked a 24 Raker a lot. Ran around 6000 with it at 62 or 63 with a 5.5 inch jack plate. I ran a 24 Trophy too and it was about as fast but had better manners. A 25 Tempest also ran good. With my 250 EFI Merc it still likes the 24 Trophy (71'ish) but it ran a little faster with a 26 Chopper. Unfortunately that was a borrowed prop and I need to buy one still. I know it's hot more in it. I've got that 24 Raker here still and it's for sale.

John
 
lynchmob said:
Congrats on the move. the starliner looks sweet. I will be on Caesar lake saturday testdiving a persuader if all goes well. Gonna move over to the car motor side. ha ha. I gonna build the looper on my pulse like we talked back in june (I think) over the winter then sell it in the spring. May need some advice.
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Be glad to help.

Saturday I will be knee deep in opening box's ;)
I always wanted to do an I/O project. An LS series motor and a drive mounted to wing nuts for height adjustment.
Used to be a guy in south Ohio/Ky area that had a 20' Stoker w/a Nascar small block Ford that was a rocket. Ran a BlackHawk drive too.
Way cool ride.

John, great info. Thanks.
I tried unsuccessfully to find a 24" Raker. They were either beat or too much $$.
I've had great luck w/everything I've run a Raker on and that has been a bunch. One of the only good wheels to come from OMC :thumb:
Once I swap motors a 24" will be too small so I'm slow to mess with one now.
Plus after all the good stuff I read from the Merc guys, I had to try a Tempest.

I have a 26" Chopper but it needs straightened before I'll learn much from it.
 
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