I've read posts that say that the 250XS is the choice for the Pulsare 2100. The rationale seems to be that the boat chine walks after about 75 mph and becomes difficult to handle up into the 80s. I think the 250 and 300 weigh the same, but the 300 does require the higher octane fuel. If fuel availability is not an issue, wouldn't it make sense to have the 300 over the 250 so that you have the extra grunt if carrying more people and the challenge to go deeper on the speedo if you want? Regardless of the engine, you're gonna have handling issues over 75. Am I missing something else?
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Pulsare 2100 - 300XS vs. 250XS
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smallblockford
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we have a 21 in right now with a standard 225 opti on it nothing special just stock gearcase. its swinging a 25 pitch and shows 80 on the speedo
i would say it was a very honest 75-78 gps mph.
i know that boat with a 300xs not even out of break in has hit 92
i think that the extra horsepower would make it easeir to drive after the mid 70s dont have to run the trim as much to get the speed. could keep a little more boat in the water to run 70s and still have power to tap in to.\
i would say it was a very honest 75-78 gps mph.
i know that boat with a 300xs not even out of break in has hit 92
i think that the extra horsepower would make it easeir to drive after the mid 70s dont have to run the trim as much to get the speed. could keep a little more boat in the water to run 70s and still have power to tap in to.\
Yes, go with the 300XS they are a strong motor....You won't have any handling issues if you set it up right. That boat handles really, really, well....better than any other boat I've ever been in. There are NO handling issues with a 2100, just need to be careful and drive it properly at high speeds, like any other boat at high speeds. Chine walk is just something you're going to have in a V-hull at that speed, and it's real easy to "drive" it in this hull. It is way easier to drive at 90 then say a V-king or Ally grandsport. If anyone has handling issues, they are easily fixable with the right set-up. Inquire on this site....you can PM me if you need help.
-Craig
cdaallison
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250 vs 300
Allisons are easy boats to drive on their pad when you learn. I can drive my Grandsport with one hand at 80 (cable steering) I can cruise at 85 and my top end is 94 gps.I boat at 2200 feet elevation and my motor is a stock 225 promax. With a 280 (hp) they run 105.They handle very good. Guys that want speed in a v hull buy Allisons, Strokers (mod v) and Hydrostreams.I am sure that a 21 pulsair set up right will run fine. If you go on the Allison site you will see that over half the boats over their run over 90 Gps . I have never heard of an Allison Owner selling their Allison to buy a Checkmate and Checkmate are a lot cheaper. That said Checkmates are great boats, beautiful gel work, and fast for what they are.
Allisons are easy boats to drive on their pad when you learn. I can drive my Grandsport with one hand at 80 (cable steering) I can cruise at 85 and my top end is 94 gps.I boat at 2200 feet elevation and my motor is a stock 225 promax. With a 280 (hp) they run 105.They handle very good. Guys that want speed in a v hull buy Allisons, Strokers (mod v) and Hydrostreams.I am sure that a 21 pulsair set up right will run fine. If you go on the Allison site you will see that over half the boats over their run over 90 Gps . I have never heard of an Allison Owner selling their Allison to buy a Checkmate and Checkmate are a lot cheaper. That said Checkmates are great boats, beautiful gel work, and fast for what they are.
Grandsports are not easier to drive than a Checkmate, fact. Sam Baker use to give lessons to anyone he sold one to. You can pretty much hop in a Pulsare and run it WOT with minimum previous experience, alomost everyone on this site knows that. Grandsports do handle well, yes, I did not say they didn't handle well. The grandsport is obviouysly faster, but a Pulsare is way easier to drive at 90....AND you can take a Pulsare over water that there is no way you are going to run a grandsport in. AGAIN....I did not say a grandsport doesn't handle well.
And yes people do sell their Allys and buy Checkmates, when they want somehthing with a little more freeboard, and that can run in the bigger chop/waves that's what they do, or just somehting a little more suited to skiing. Allys are lake boats and the best at that. Checkmates CHEAPER?, I don't know about that??? Not really apples to apples anyway.....2 Different kinds of boats here. Where did you come up with this selling an Ally to buy a Checkmate thing anyway. If you like your ally, that's great, wtf. I'd like to have on myself.
-Craig
And yes people do sell their Allys and buy Checkmates, when they want somehthing with a little more freeboard, and that can run in the bigger chop/waves that's what they do, or just somehting a little more suited to skiing. Allys are lake boats and the best at that. Checkmates CHEAPER?, I don't know about that??? Not really apples to apples anyway.....2 Different kinds of boats here. Where did you come up with this selling an Ally to buy a Checkmate thing anyway. If you like your ally, that's great, wtf. I'd like to have on myself.
-Craig
CHECK16
Well-known member
BullittBen
Member
Boy, talk about someone with an agenda. Wasn't this a discussion about which motor was better on a Pulsare?This is a Checkmate thread. Go post in the "Open Boating Forum".
I know FasRog bought a 2100/250 after he sold his Allison. I think a comparison is apples to oranges. There is no doubt the Allison is the fastest vhull around but you're not going to see to many Allisons out on a real choppy day. Everything in life is a compromise unless you are dating Cathrine Zeta Jones.........
My 2100BR/ 300X was an awsome rig but if I bought another Pulsare, I would rig it w/ a 250X. I think it is a better all around package that will do 80+.
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SCT
My 2100BR/ 300X was an awsome rig but if I bought another Pulsare, I would rig it w/ a 250X. I think it is a better all around package that will do 80+.
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SCT
Hey Craig, from what I've seen I just think it is a better all around package and easier to resell then the 3.0 or 3.1L. Is that $1,200 less then the 300XS or the X motors? The X motors were selling close to 20K. I think the 300XSs are in the mid teens. Do you think a 250XS set up properly on a 2100 would run 83-84ish?
Viper 1, I ran a 300 reg Promax on one for like 4-5 years and this year I had one with a 300XS, traded in on a 230. Loved it but wife wanted a bigger boat, tired of the speed demons.
SCT, the 300XS is around $16,500 ballpark from what I learned....You can order one from Jaco's for $15,500 but you have to find yourself a local dealer that will accept it. Wasn't a problem for me, I know a couple guys who are dealers, so that's what I did. Yeah, the 250XS is around $1200-$1500 less....I shopped for a 300X earlier this year...not many left from 2005, and if you find one they want $20,000+...Most dealers I talked to said the 300XS is real close to 300X performance, but the 300X has higher rev limit. The 300XS is a way better...(faster) motor than the old 300 reg Promax.
I think a 250XS will have a hard time pushing a Pulsare 83-84, maybe with tweeking....solid 80 for sure....Resale: you're probably right....seems like some guys are a little scared of that 300XS.
-Craig
smallblockford
Member
craig i agree with you on 250xs prob. hitting a very solid 80
JUPITER PULSARE
Well-known member
I can attest to the rough water handling of the Pulsare!! Many of the guys I run with in FL have Hydrostreams, Actions, Lightnings, etc. etc. The only guy that can hang with me in the ocean is a Hydrostream Virage and he's usually spending more time airborn than in the water. My Pulsare just plows it's way through the 2-4' nasty stuff...it's not the most comfortable ride but the boat can take the punishment!! Switching to a Trophy Plus 26 settled down alot of my chinewalk..I cant help but wonder how a Pulsare 2100 with a Trophy Plus 28 on a 300xs would run???