2001 Evinrude 250 HP FFI Problems

[Rob B]

Robbie, have you tried running the engine with a little 3 or 5 gallon tank hooked directly to the engine? Bypass every bit of your fuel delivery system and see what happens.

That was next on my list to try, maybe tomorrow. Right now I'm frustrated and you can't get stuff done with a cluttered mind.

 

[Rob B]

This morning before taking my son to his baseball game I looked up certified BRP tech's on the Evrinrude website for my local area. I talked to a guy that Evinrude recommends and explain in detail what the motor was doing and what I've done so far. His response without looking it: either the fuel lift pump, fuel pump or the EMM(engine management module) is bad. I replied: on an engine with 34 hrs of run time? He said: I changed those in motors with less time than that. So here's a little food for thought; the EMM is $1800.00, the Fuel pump is $652.30 and the Fuel Lift pump is $400.52,not counting labor. Also each injector is $350.00 a piece if one is bad.
So at this point my wife wants to sell the boat, can't blame her either. My options are: sell the boat as is; sell the boat and motor separately; sell/trade the motor for a different one and keep the boat. I'm not sure if I want a $20,000 motor on a 27 year old boat. Maybe I could find a good used one at a decent price, for now the rig will sit underneath the carport until I decide what to do. POS Envinrude!!!!

 

[ndaniels]

Damn, that sucks- I was paraniod it would be somthing major after finding out the year of the engine.

If you do go with a different mota the nice thing about outboards is they unbolt in no time and it doesn't matter what you buy next- they'll fit it. Also they store easily too on a stand if you go for a time with no boat. I'm sure you probably know, but Jaco's has the cheapest prices I've seen on merc outboards- http://www.jacosmarine.com/ but I'm sure that you'd be able to find some good used motors too, if you go that route.

 

[bworner]

Dude, I emailed you tonight, my Buddy that I spoke to about yours is in France working with Team Evin'Rude's new race division, they were in 2nd with a 250 HO ETEC. We will get her, he will be back Tuesday. Can you call me then? Brannon 920-295-2069 EMAIL- worner_brannon@yahoo.com

 

[bworner]

DUDE, I didnt read your last post from May 1st, just the 1st post. I can get your EMM redone, it will have ALL of the updates, even some from todays EMMs,for only $450, see BRP sends them to DFI Technologies, the Dealer makes a Boat Load, BRP makes a Boat load, and its a EZ process. Now the price may have gone up, but last year I had 2- done, a 1998 175 FICHT (the worst FICHT made,year,model)it ran beautifully,yet the System check gauge said "check engine",because of the malfunction we decided to have it redone, BRP told us $1100, I called my "Dude" and he called DFI Tech, and Poof, $450 ( If I remember 100%) but it was right around there. We had a 200 3liter that ran like crap, and it was the other that was re done, both ran like Swiss watches after the EMMs were done, the rest of the Parts just Call me, we will work it out. The Evinrudes dont suck, its just a DFI is Very,Very,Very X100 Expensive to repair. Whether its a Yamahammer, or a Merc "Mafia" motor, the early Opti Pops are expensive when your the Non warranty owner. I have a really sweet Idea for ya that we will not talk about here, So call me tomorrow if you have time, Im here to help ANYONE, not profit or have others profit, just helpin......Brannon 920-295-2069

 

[Rob B]

DUDE, I didnt read your last post from May 1st, just the 1st post. I can get your EMM redone, it will have ALL of the updates, even some from todays EMMs,for only $450, see BRP sends them to DFI Technologies, the Dealer makes a Boat Load, BRP makes a Boat load, and its a EZ process. Now the price may have gone up, but last year I had 2- done, a 1998 175 FICHT (the worst FICHT made,year,model)it ran beautifully,yet the System check gauge said "check engine",because of the malfunction we decided to have it redone, BRP told us $1100, I called my "Dude" and he called DFI Tech, and Poof, $450 ( If I remember 100%) but it was right around there. We had a 200 3liter that ran like crap, and it was the other that was re done, both ran like Swiss watches after the EMMs were done, the rest of the Parts just Call me, we will work it out. The Evinrudes dont suck, its just a DFI is Very,Very,Very X100 Expensive to repair. Whether its a Yamahammer, or a Merc "Mafia" motor, the early Opti Pops are expensive when your the Non warranty owner. I have a really sweet Idea for ya that we will not talk about here, So call me tomorrow if you have time, Im here to help ANYONE, not profit or have others profit, just helpin......Brannon 920-295-2069

Brannon I appreciate the help!!! How do I know it's the EMM? I ran a diagnostic test Friday morning it had no hard codes only showing water in fuel, code 37. On the DFI website it costs $813.53 to have the EMM re mapped. My part number is 586484 s/n 00027140 and dev# 24953. Before I start spending money I want to know what part is bad. How do I do that without taking to a dealer?

 

[JW]

Hook up that seperate gas tank and lines and tell me if it's still not running...........

 

[Rob B]

Hook up that seperate gas tank and lines and tell me if it's still not running...........

I just tried a seperate gas tank, same issues will fire but not crank. So I'm guessing the POS Evinrude with only 34 run hrs is either got a bad EMM, fuel lift pump or fuel pump. Now I know why I sold the bass boat and starting playing golf, no gas ,no taxes,no insurance no headaches. I'm seriously considering selling the the whole rig or part it out.

 

[SCT]

Robbie, your boat is to nice to part out or sell. You'll have the motor problem all figured out and be sitting on it at the lake drinking a beer before you know it. Hang in there...

Any chance you can get another EMM to try on your engine? At least you'll know before shelling out some money. I hate shotgun maintenance to fix a problem.

 

[Rob B]

Robbie, your boat is to nice to part out or sell. You'll have the motor problem all figured out and be sitting on it at the lake drinking a beer before you know it. Hang in there...

Any chance you can get another EMM to try on your engine? At least you'll know before shelling out some money. I hate shotgun maintenance to fix a problem.

LOL!!! I'm just frustrated right now, dumping $2500.00 in the resto then the motor just quits running. That's kind of hard to stomach at the moment. Back to your question, I'll call the rude tech in the morning to see if he's got another EMM to try. I can't get the boat over there until Friday due to my work schedule. I hate shot gun maintenance to fix the problem as well, right now it's a guessing game as this point.

 

[Bruce]

Not sure if you have posted something over at bass boat central under the Evinrude / Johnson forum. There are a lot of very very knowledgable folks over there as well. Worth a shot ..maybe just copy and paste the symptoms from here over there. Quite a few of the guys have been working on these Johnny Rudes for a long long time.

http://www.bassboatcentral.com/

Hopefully you can find a dealer that will swap out parts until the problem is known versus spending money doing exploratory surgery. I feel for you as most of us have been there .... especially about selling everything and saying forget it. Sometimes when you run into problems like this you never regain the confidence in the boat and don't enjoy it because in the back of your mind you're thinking... what's next. Do what your gut tells you, there is always another one out there.

Take Care

Bruce

 

[Rob B]

Not sure if you have posted something over at bass boat central under the Evinrude / Johnson forum. There are a lot of very very knowledgable folks over there as well. Worth a shot ..maybe just copy and paste the symptoms from here over there. Quite a few of the guys have been working on these Johnny Rudes for a long long time.

http://www.bassboatcentral.com/

Hopefully you can find a dealer that will swap out parts until the problem is known versus spending money doing exploratory surgery. I feel for you as most of us have been there .... especially about selling everything and saying forget it. Sometimes when you run into problems like this you never regain the confidence in the boat and don't enjoy it because in the back of your mind you're thinking... what's next. Do what your gut tells you, there is always another one out there.

Take Care

Bruce

I was talking to a guy over on the BBC website and he seems to think it's the fuel lifter pump or the fuel pump. I think the biggest problem is trying trouble shoot a motor over the web. Those guys are pretty good though.

 

[bigredinohio]

Trade you a 1500 Mercury for your Jonny Rude....straight up. Just kidding with ya!

Just be patient and have confidence that it will all work out. I was in a similar situation throughout the winter and early spring. I wanted nothing more to do with my boat restoration until I started messing around with my outboard and got to hear it actually run. It's better that it's happening now instead of the middle of summer where it would take weeks, if not months, to get it fixed.

 

[yellowfiero88]

Yep hang in there bro. Like I said you will have it running like a champ in no time. If nothing else get it running so you can sell the motor and trade up or down for a johnny that was not effected by the problems. With having all the gauges and rigging it would be hard to swap to a merc.

And if you get to the point of burning it... I will trade you the playmate even up.

 

[Rob B]

This is a long shot, but I'll throw out there. Would it be possible that the EMM needs to be reset because it thinks there is water in the fuel? I know you can reset the computer on certain vehicles, maybe boat motors as well. Just thinking outside the box on this.

 

[JT Patroni]

CM

Can the software you bought do a test on the EMM or reset it?
Just a thought!

 

[Rob B]

Ok just got off the BBC website, don't know if this is the problem or not but the Evinrude guru thinks it's the key switch is faulty. Here's what I posted and a response:

I've got 2001 Evinrude 250 HP FFI that was titled in 2006. The model # E250FCXSIG, serial # G04966565. I've ran the diagnostic software on Friday, 34 hrs of total run time and only have one code showing up and that's code 37 which is water in fuel code. The problem is while running the motor just shuts off like it run out of gas. The motor will crank but shuts off. The things I've done so far is: fresh gas, sta-bil,changed filters, checked all fuses, connections, new fuel hose, primer bulb and tried a seperate portable tank. The motor will not stay running after all doing all that.
I find it hard to believe the fuel lifter pump, fuel pump or the EMM is bad on a motor with only 34 hrs of run time although it's possible. Would it be possible that computer needs to be reset because it thinks there is water in the fuel? Any help or suggestions is greatly appreicated.

response

Several possibilities. Bad ignition switch, chaffed wires in remote control or bad PDP (Power Distribution Panel). If the engine starts and dies as soon as you release the key suspect the key switch! If it dies sometime after the key is released then suspect the PDP (when it dies look at the gages to see if you still have power to them. if not it most likely the PDP).

 

[Bruce]

Just throwing something else at you along the ignition switch idea .... what about the kill switch, maybe it is acting up. Perhaps there is a way you can jumper the ignition switch just to see if it remains running.

First maybe disconnect the kill switch and jumper it to eliminate that possibilty. I'll poke around for a bit to see if there is a safe way to jumper the ignition switch without messing anything up.

 

[Rob B]

I just checked the compression it's 125lbs on all 6 cylinders. I'm waiting to hear back from a rude tech before pulling the boat to the dump and dropping the motor. How many trolling motors do think it would take to push the boat 5 mph?

 

[yellowfiero88]

Rob this is all you need. All the time you need on the water! forget the jackplate as well, 1 touch adjustment collar. most reliable as well!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRAe-Rw0LEk&feature=player_embedded#!