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New Toyota truck
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Dave Dendekker
Member
No Kidding!! I can't believe you guys are still arguing about trucks. I'd love to look in your driveways - probably full of minivans
Diplomat82
Well-known member
Redboat,
The FJ Cruiser is a pretty sweet ride........Love the Incline Meter! Only problems are the windshields. With it being a vertical surface they do not deflict stones, so you get alot more cracks. Last I heard (around Thanksgiving) there was a 4 month wait on a replacement windshield.
The FJ Cruiser is a pretty sweet ride........Love the Incline Meter! Only problems are the windshields. With it being a vertical surface they do not deflict stones, so you get alot more cracks. Last I heard (around Thanksgiving) there was a 4 month wait on a replacement windshield.
Big Red
Well-known member
I think its dumb giving 35-40 grand for any truck just to drag a boat around. The only way a new truck can be justified, is for work as a tax right off. And the gas mileage sucks on a Toyota but mine has 253,000 miles on it. And if you lease one your just throwing your money away.
Do we really need that brand new truck or would one with 60-80,000 miles on it work just fine for half the money.
Do we really need that brand new truck or would one with 60-80,000 miles on it work just fine for half the money.
I buy them when there 2 years old. Normally puts mileage in the 30-40K range. And the big hit on value has already happened.
teamhart2
Well-known member
I'm with you bigred, cant afford a new one and even if I could Im not sure I could swallow the 10 grand loss in retail or whatever it is just from driving it off the lot. It seems like a lot of the problems with the toyotas are on the newer ones since they really manned up the tundra and made the tacoma biggger, Ill be looking for one of the 05 or earlier trucks, they seem to hold up pretty good. I guess some of that recall stuff is because of the growing, but I think its cool that with the new tundras theyve redesigned a lot of stuff..... good old trial and error.
Chris, this speaks to my ignorance a little but Im curious, how is it that you guys get sucker punched with import costs on toyotas but dont get them on the chevs?
Chris, this speaks to my ignorance a little but Im curious, how is it that you guys get sucker punched with import costs on toyotas but dont get them on the chevs?
harleyherb
Member
I acctually own 2 toyota trucks, the new tundra with the 5.7 (I started this thread when I was still using the hondaherb name) that I use for pulling and I also own a '80 model 3/4 ton model that I inhereted from my dad. My dad bought the '80 model new and it has over 200,000 miles on it. When I got the truck, I took it to the local Toyota dealer, only 2 people that work at the dealership knew that Toyota made a 3/4 ton truck back then. Next month I'm planning on using the new truck to pull our 31' toyhauler to Daytona Beach for bike week, I can't wait to see what mileage I get pulling the camper.
81 enchanter
Active member
and the quality including interior fit and finish is just garbage, you can also hear every road noise in the turdras, my buddy has one and hates it as do i! why the hell can you get a TRD off road in 2wd?!?!?!?
Well fellas, I do appreciate a 'buy american truck over anything just because' attitude, but I speak from experience. I've owned several trucks since 1992, half of them chevy and half of them toyota. While I enjoyed them both about equally, when it comes to quality after the warranty period runs out AND resale value, unfortunately the Toyotas have a better over all history. That's why they maintain a much higher resale value.
My '06 Tundra lease is up in October, and I'm considering another Chevy, so nobody can hate on me for that. I buy what's best for my needs at the time. What am I considering? Believe it or not, one of the lowest rated trucks you can buy right now, the Chevy Colorado crew cab 4X4. Why? Because I know it's a decent truck, has the best gas mileage of all the 4 wheel drive trucks, and can be bought for the least amout of dollars. We'll see, I have several months to decide.
My '06 Tundra lease is up in October, and I'm considering another Chevy, so nobody can hate on me for that. I buy what's best for my needs at the time. What am I considering? Believe it or not, one of the lowest rated trucks you can buy right now, the Chevy Colorado crew cab 4X4. Why? Because I know it's a decent truck, has the best gas mileage of all the 4 wheel drive trucks, and can be bought for the least amout of dollars. We'll see, I have several months to decide.
onthehammer
Active member
OK, Nothing gets me wound up more than this argument. So it's great that these japanese auto manufacturer's bring their auto plants here and supply jobs to us Americans to avoid the insanely ridiculous taxes bringing cars in by boat. Do you really think that they would do this out of the kindness of their hearts? I don't hardly think so! All the profits go back overseas to support what we fought against in World War 2. So by buying their cars we can only be angry with ourselves if it ever comes to needing our auto manufacturers to support us in another war if we need them and they are not there to help us. I know that I love to live in the US in a democracy where you can actually own your own property and not have to work for $40 per week paychecks. Trust me, if Japan had their way we would all live just like they do. Good luck affording our nice boats and using them, because for us average guys that would be a thing of the past. here is an excerpt that all of us should think about when buying Foreign cars.
Food For Thought! This article appeared in the Oakland press (Michigan).
Most of the time, this column takes on a light-hearted attitude. Today, it's a heavy-hearted one.
It's heavy-hearted because I'm both disappointed and worried about the way that so many car buyers are ignoring the products of America's automobile
Manufacturers. Yes, I know all the arguments pro and con. The reasoning for buying from foreign manufacturers abound in letters to the editors and
Columns by auto writers in our newspapers and magazines.
Up front, I should admit that I worked for two U.S. Auto manufacturers in addition to several decades in the newspaper trade. The first was Kaiser-Frazier, back in 1953. I had worked there only six months when they locked the doors of the huge plant in Ypsilanti because of the lack of sales. I later
Had a stint with General Motors that lasted longer. I personally believe that most of the models produced by American car makers are just as good as those
Offered by foreign companies. Many are even better. But besides the fact that I have been completely satisfied with the cars produced by American-based companies, one of my main reasons for never considering the purchase of a foreign vehicle is quite different than most Americans would think about.
Here it is:
Not until I went to work for the Fisher Body Division of GM did I realize what an impact our auto companies had in the defense of our country. I had
Heard of Detroit being called the "Arsenal of Democracy" but really didn't appreciate the meaning of it until I thumbed through the historical files
Of Fisher Body. One of my many jobs was to keep them up to date. Fisher Body was the division that produced the bodies for nearly every GM model since they started in 1908 until the division was merged into other units in 1984.
While the "Arsenal of Democracy" tag wasn't applied until World War II, Fisher Body's involvement started during the first World War. Soon after the U.S. Entered the war in 1917, the Army granted a contract to Fisher Body for the largest order every written in this country for airplanes. Although Fisher Body had never before made a single airplane, it produced the first one 48 days after taking over a government-owned building near downtown Detroit (later used to assemble Cadillac car bodies). It eventually reached 40 a day. By the time the war for the U.S. Ended, the plant had assembled 2,005 planes.
Within months after Pearl Harbor, Detroit's auto industry shut down its assembly lines and converted to the tools of war. Ford Motor was soon turning out
Such items as aircraft and tank engines and gun mounts. It was most famous for its vast Willow Run plant where 8,685 B-24 bombers were produced.
Chrysler converted its assembly lines to tanks, Army trucks, anti-aircraft guns and assemblies for B-25 medium bombers. Detroit's Hudson plant made sub-assemblies for the B-29 bomber and marine engines. Packard produced engines for fighter planes and PT boats. The hundreds of automotive supplier plants all became involved.
I don't have a record of the items produced by the score of other General Motors divisions but I discovered that its Fisher Body Division alone
Contributed a remarkable assortment of material to the war effort. Twelve Fisher plants were assigned for use by other GM divisions and other companies such as Boeing and Firestone. The remaining 13 plants, mostly in Michigan, tallied up production numbers such as these:
Aircraft assemblies, such as wings and tail sections, were produced for 5,214 Mitchell B-25 bombers.
In Grand Blanc, 17,213 tanks rolled off the assembly line, most of them the famous General Sherman.
Over in the Grand Rapids plant, the assembly line produced 2,359 anti-aircraft guns and later 550 huge 5-inch guns for the Navy's ships. They also shipped out over a half million high-explosive 55mm shell casings, plus aircraft and tank components.
In plants of the Ternstedt Division of Fisher Body, a total of 293,100 intricate gyro aircraft instruments were manufactured. The division also produced
1.2 million parts used in fighter plane cannons.
Five Fisher east coast plants were merged into the GM Eastern Aircraft Division and was the source of three-quarters of the nearly 18,000 Wildcat and
Avenger planes produced for the Navy carriers.
In Cleveland, a 400 acre plant was built for assembly of wings, tail sections, ailerons, flaps, tail gun turrets and other parts for the huge B-29 bombers as well as parts for tanks and Naval guns.
Also pouring out of these facilities, along with plants in Flint, Lansing, Detroit and Pontiac, were such items as 200,000 rocket fins, 86,000 droppable
Fuel tanks, 1,500 cowlings for Navy fighters and 9,352 huge crankcases for diesel engines to power Navy ships and submarines.
Today, dozens of auto plants are closing. So are hundreds of automotive supplier plants. One can only wonder how we could ever gear up to fill
wartime production should the need ever arise.
Just what would we do, call up Japan, Germany, China, Korea or our beloved friends in France?
All of this wartime production stuff may sound boring and trivial to most Americans now, but back in the 1940's it was a life and death matter for our
troops and for the defense of our country. Back then, when I was among the millions of GI's serving overseas, I had no idea of how vital the efforts were of our auto plants and the men and women working there in achieving final victory.
Today I do.
You can call me a sentimental old geezer still living in the past, but I'll just keep on buying and loving the cars that best support our country's economy
today and played a huge role in keeping it free over 60 years ago.
Oh yes, during those war years, 14,761 Fisher body employees left their jobs and families to serve in the armed forces. And 288 gave their lives to keep us free today.
Buy American!
Food For Thought! This article appeared in the Oakland press (Michigan).
Most of the time, this column takes on a light-hearted attitude. Today, it's a heavy-hearted one.
It's heavy-hearted because I'm both disappointed and worried about the way that so many car buyers are ignoring the products of America's automobile
Manufacturers. Yes, I know all the arguments pro and con. The reasoning for buying from foreign manufacturers abound in letters to the editors and
Columns by auto writers in our newspapers and magazines.
Up front, I should admit that I worked for two U.S. Auto manufacturers in addition to several decades in the newspaper trade. The first was Kaiser-Frazier, back in 1953. I had worked there only six months when they locked the doors of the huge plant in Ypsilanti because of the lack of sales. I later
Had a stint with General Motors that lasted longer. I personally believe that most of the models produced by American car makers are just as good as those
Offered by foreign companies. Many are even better. But besides the fact that I have been completely satisfied with the cars produced by American-based companies, one of my main reasons for never considering the purchase of a foreign vehicle is quite different than most Americans would think about.
Here it is:
Not until I went to work for the Fisher Body Division of GM did I realize what an impact our auto companies had in the defense of our country. I had
Heard of Detroit being called the "Arsenal of Democracy" but really didn't appreciate the meaning of it until I thumbed through the historical files
Of Fisher Body. One of my many jobs was to keep them up to date. Fisher Body was the division that produced the bodies for nearly every GM model since they started in 1908 until the division was merged into other units in 1984.
While the "Arsenal of Democracy" tag wasn't applied until World War II, Fisher Body's involvement started during the first World War. Soon after the U.S. Entered the war in 1917, the Army granted a contract to Fisher Body for the largest order every written in this country for airplanes. Although Fisher Body had never before made a single airplane, it produced the first one 48 days after taking over a government-owned building near downtown Detroit (later used to assemble Cadillac car bodies). It eventually reached 40 a day. By the time the war for the U.S. Ended, the plant had assembled 2,005 planes.
Within months after Pearl Harbor, Detroit's auto industry shut down its assembly lines and converted to the tools of war. Ford Motor was soon turning out
Such items as aircraft and tank engines and gun mounts. It was most famous for its vast Willow Run plant where 8,685 B-24 bombers were produced.
Chrysler converted its assembly lines to tanks, Army trucks, anti-aircraft guns and assemblies for B-25 medium bombers. Detroit's Hudson plant made sub-assemblies for the B-29 bomber and marine engines. Packard produced engines for fighter planes and PT boats. The hundreds of automotive supplier plants all became involved.
I don't have a record of the items produced by the score of other General Motors divisions but I discovered that its Fisher Body Division alone
Contributed a remarkable assortment of material to the war effort. Twelve Fisher plants were assigned for use by other GM divisions and other companies such as Boeing and Firestone. The remaining 13 plants, mostly in Michigan, tallied up production numbers such as these:
Aircraft assemblies, such as wings and tail sections, were produced for 5,214 Mitchell B-25 bombers.
In Grand Blanc, 17,213 tanks rolled off the assembly line, most of them the famous General Sherman.
Over in the Grand Rapids plant, the assembly line produced 2,359 anti-aircraft guns and later 550 huge 5-inch guns for the Navy's ships. They also shipped out over a half million high-explosive 55mm shell casings, plus aircraft and tank components.
In plants of the Ternstedt Division of Fisher Body, a total of 293,100 intricate gyro aircraft instruments were manufactured. The division also produced
1.2 million parts used in fighter plane cannons.
Five Fisher east coast plants were merged into the GM Eastern Aircraft Division and was the source of three-quarters of the nearly 18,000 Wildcat and
Avenger planes produced for the Navy carriers.
In Cleveland, a 400 acre plant was built for assembly of wings, tail sections, ailerons, flaps, tail gun turrets and other parts for the huge B-29 bombers as well as parts for tanks and Naval guns.
Also pouring out of these facilities, along with plants in Flint, Lansing, Detroit and Pontiac, were such items as 200,000 rocket fins, 86,000 droppable
Fuel tanks, 1,500 cowlings for Navy fighters and 9,352 huge crankcases for diesel engines to power Navy ships and submarines.
Today, dozens of auto plants are closing. So are hundreds of automotive supplier plants. One can only wonder how we could ever gear up to fill
wartime production should the need ever arise.
Just what would we do, call up Japan, Germany, China, Korea or our beloved friends in France?
All of this wartime production stuff may sound boring and trivial to most Americans now, but back in the 1940's it was a life and death matter for our
troops and for the defense of our country. Back then, when I was among the millions of GI's serving overseas, I had no idea of how vital the efforts were of our auto plants and the men and women working there in achieving final victory.
Today I do.
You can call me a sentimental old geezer still living in the past, but I'll just keep on buying and loving the cars that best support our country's economy
today and played a huge role in keeping it free over 60 years ago.
Oh yes, during those war years, 14,761 Fisher body employees left their jobs and families to serve in the armed forces. And 288 gave their lives to keep us free today.
Buy American!
teamhart2
Well-known member
thats some cool history onthehammer, thanks for sharing.
unfortunately I think its prolly too late for something like that to happen again, the detooling of american industry happened a long time before any of us (definitely me) started buying foreign cars. While I am sure that foreign builders with factories in the US arent doing it to do us any favors, Im not gonna stand up and act like the american auto industry is doing too many favors for us either, flint michigan became a wasteland because factories were moved out of the country where labor was cheap. Bottom line is this: since we dont have the infrastructure to support something like a WWII we have to count on our politicians to keep us (read: the world) out of something like that, and if it does happen, thank our lucky stars for all the government contractor companies and hope that their work to give us the most technological military equipment in the world will overcome the deficit in industry to support a war effort. Have a few buddies that work for lockheed, some of the stuff they got going on over there will save a lot more of our freedom with a lot less casualties than those old planes and tanks.
Not a military analyst or an economist, but a few thoughts Ive had on the topic. Let me know what ya think:cheers
unfortunately I think its prolly too late for something like that to happen again, the detooling of american industry happened a long time before any of us (definitely me) started buying foreign cars. While I am sure that foreign builders with factories in the US arent doing it to do us any favors, Im not gonna stand up and act like the american auto industry is doing too many favors for us either, flint michigan became a wasteland because factories were moved out of the country where labor was cheap. Bottom line is this: since we dont have the infrastructure to support something like a WWII we have to count on our politicians to keep us (read: the world) out of something like that, and if it does happen, thank our lucky stars for all the government contractor companies and hope that their work to give us the most technological military equipment in the world will overcome the deficit in industry to support a war effort. Have a few buddies that work for lockheed, some of the stuff they got going on over there will save a lot more of our freedom with a lot less casualties than those old planes and tanks.
Not a military analyst or an economist, but a few thoughts Ive had on the topic. Let me know what ya think:cheers
The writer didn't mention anything about the government taxing the heck out the auto industry and the unions driving them out of business ,no wonder all the jobs are going overseas. I have nothing against the unions but they are not for the people like it used to be back in the day.
onthehammer
Active member
I agree with you on the unions these days, however they did bring us the weekend we enjoy today!
Oops i forgot to mention that. The unions just got a little to greedy, among other problems. The problem is that you can't blame it on one thing alone. That was a good article though.
ezstriper
Well-known member
Does not matter where they are built....just follow the $$$$, believe me toyota does not do much for this country, they are the most underhanded company out there, they buy their way everywhere, payoff's everywhere, bought their way into nascar, paid off media on their numerous recalls that you never hear about, altough have heard some dropping that. toyota's built here in non union plants that pay far less than the big 3 here. I know also that the unions are driving the plants out of the country due to labor cost, but even that does bring the $$ back to this country, not f#%king japan !!!
I wonder what helps us the most though. The hundreds of employees bringing home good paychecks at the Toyota plant in Princeton Indiana supporting the local economy, or just the profit check going into a few rich people pockets in Detroit from the trucks built in Mexico (like the Avalanche I had).
Profit to a few rich stockholders from an Avalanche built in Mexico?
Wages to several hundred employees in Princeton Indiana supporting the local economy?
I'll bet the wages paid to Americans add up to more than the profit going into rich guys pockets.
Profit to a few rich stockholders from an Avalanche built in Mexico?
Wages to several hundred employees in Princeton Indiana supporting the local economy?
I'll bet the wages paid to Americans add up to more than the profit going into rich guys pockets.