The good The bad and not so good

[justincase]

This morning I lowered the motor down one bolt hole, took the boat to the river after lunch, what a difference it made. The porpiosing went away, now I'm fighting loose steering. I need to bleed the lines again probably got air in them still. The other thing I noticed was the stern still feels like it will not break free, so I'm guessing this is why the trim tabs was added. After adding new filters the gas probem went away, the motor didn't die on me like last week so that's a good thing.

I knew you would figure it out.

 

[JW]

NOW you've got a good starting point! Time for prop testing

 

[Rob B]

NOW you've got a good starting point! Time for prop testing

Yep!!! I gotta 4 blade 25P renegade and a 26P raker Prop to try. I'm also adding the trim tabs back after talking with Mike (MKhammer) today.

 

[hotdaddy27]

Yep!!! I gotta 4 blade 25P renegade and a 26P raker Prop to try. I'm also adding the trim tabs back after talking with Mike (MKhammer) today.

Not questioning you or MK, but why are you reverting back to the tabs?

HD

 

[Rob B]

Not questioning you or MK, but why are you reverting back to the tabs?

HD

Good question HD!! After reviewing all that was done to the Enforcer prior to me purchasing and the resto. There was a reason those tabs were added and I think it's because of the setback 24". The handling of the Enforcer is night and day without those tabs. I'm getting plenty of bow lift, but not enough stern lift for the boat to really break free if that makes any sense. MK agreed that there was a reason for those tabs and the advantages far out weighed the disadvantages so adding them back would help the handling and improve the stability. If I had the time and money to tinker with setback and different props maybe the outcome would be different, but for now I'll put it back like it was since the boat ran great with the tabs prior to the resto. Oh don't forget the frustration factor that goes along with the setups.

 

[Double J]

So you are going to add tabs to make the stern lift??? Everything I read about tabs is that they are used to lower the bow in seas. I personally think you need to spend the time and get the x dimension correct in set up than adding tabs which if in use will just scrub off speed. Just my opinion. Remember I have a 2400 w/tabs also so I'm speaking from experience also. I personally think you have too much set back for too little horsepower. Before I drilled into the transom I would first play with props and height. If that didn't do it than I would try less set back. As a last result I would put tabs on. I can't see you getting stern lift by using tabs and also with the use of tabs you will lose bow lift. Just my opinion again.(I've only been running and setting up fast outboards for 19 years)

 

[Rob B]

So you are going to add tabs to make the stern lift??? Everything I read about tabs is that they are used to lower the bow in seas. I personally think you need to spend the time and get the x dimension correct in set up than adding tabs which if in use will just scrub off speed. Just my opinion. Remember I have a 2400 w/tabs also so I'm speaking from experience also. I personally think you have too much set back for too little horsepower. Before I drilled into the transom I would first play with props and height. If that didn't do it than I would try less set back. As a last result I would put tabs on. I can't see you getting stern lift by using tabs and also with the use of tabs you will lose bow lift. Just my opinion again.(I've only been running and setting up fast outboards for 19 years)

DJ I understand what you're saying, but if I change the setback bracket to a smaller setback the holes in the transom would have to be covered then re drilled to accept the new setback. I've got 18 holes, nine on each for the gil bracket. I do agree that the setback is too much for my application. I really appreciate your opinion, I'm trying to work with what I have right now. The trim tabs I have are these:http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/catalog.php?vID=78&catHome=1

Product Description Bennett’s M80 and M120 Sport Tabs are ideal for trailered boats in the 17-foot to 23-foot range. Their unique Batwing design provides 30 percent more lift than conventional trim tabs and their space-saving design ensures easy installation on virtually any transom. Trim tab kits include two stainless steel trim tabs, two actuators, a hydraulic power unit, all necessary wiring, tubing, hardware and installation video.

 

[ndaniels]

Robbie, I don't see any negatives with tabs... as long as the holes are sealed good. I could also see how maybe they'd lever the boat out of the water a little better with that much setback.... maybe it doesn't make that much sense, but if the bottom of the boat is extended somwhere around 8" with the tabs, it should be levering 8" more of the bottom out of the water if run close to level... I understand that setback gives the motor leverage on the hull- but none of us know what happens when you have excissive setback like 24"... that might be what you feel when you describe that the stern feels stuck to the water??

I'd think that the tabs will also reduce the effect of the 24" of setback depending on the tab location- level or slightly below level would make the setback seem more like 16", I'd think.

Also, are you going to upgrade to the indicator switch? That set of Lencos with the indicators built in the switch in my 21 is sweet

 

[Rob B]

Robbie, I don't see any negatives with tabs... as long as the holes are sealed good. I could also see how maybe they'd lever the boat out of the water a little better with that much setback.... maybe it doesn't make that much sense, but if the bottom of the boat is extended somwhere around 8" with the tabs, it should be levering 8" more of the bottom out of the water if run close to level... that might be what you feel when you describe that the stern feels stuck to the water??

This in turn will also reduce the effect of the 24" of setback depending on the tab location. Level or slightly below level would make the setback seem more like 16", I'd think.

Also, are you going to upgrade to the indicator switch? That set of Lencos with the indicators built in the switch in my 21 is sweet

I ordered a switch MKhamer yesterday, should have that by the end of the week. You explain it better than I did, but that was what I was trying to say.

 

[Rob B]

Now that I've had time to calm down from my adventure today with the POS jonnyrude, here's the latest. Took the boat out today after I made a few adjustments. Motor started with no trouble, cruised across the lake, checking all the usual stuff everything running fine was a bit rough with the wind blowing. After being out at the lake for a couple of hrs decided to head back load the boat and go home.
We probably got 50 yards from the landing, the motor shuts off, just dies. We were probably running 45 50 mph and acted like it run out of gas. This time the motor doesn't crank, it will turn act like it's going crank. So by now we're probably 20'- to 30' away from the dock, wind blowing can't get the motor to fire up. So I threw out the anchor to keep from floating into the rocks along the shore.

Here's were I got pissed. I'm trying to get to the dock using the anchor to pull me along while sitting on the bow. Two assholes standing at the dock watching never asked if I needed help. I could've thrown a rope to them to keep from hitting the dock. But hell no, as I was using the anchor to pull myself toward the dock, the rope breaks. The wind blows us into the dock scratchs the crap out the paint, lost a bumper (fender) I'm wet from waist down trying stop the madness. I finally got the boat on the trailer by winching/floating it on. I got home dumped the filter it was ok, tried cranking the engine, it would fire but would not stay cranked. The only way I could get the motor to run in the yard was using the choke. Man what a day!!! So Monday I'll take the boat to a Evinrude dealer and have them to run a test on the computer to see what is wrong. I probably don't want to know.

 

[karzrus]

Sorry to here about your bad day on the water, I hope you have better luck at the dealer.

 

[yellowfiero88]

Rob, not sure if you wanted to call him but Bill is great to talk to, his number is 812-221-0227. They used to be a johnnyrude dealer and he really knows his **** when it comes to the outboards. He might know something off what you can describe over the phone. I know he has saved my ass a few times

Glad you calmed down from the first time we talked. You sounded like your blood pressure was through the roof!! I think it has been a bad week for mates with this and all the problems I had on thursday. I didn't get to hit a bass with the playmate. As soon as I fired her back up when we got off the phone, they all swam for their lifes

You need to start sweet talking the wife about that new black motor

 

[Sam I am]

Aww man, that sucks. Sorry it went poorly.

 

[Rob B]

Brian thanks for the number, I'll give him a call later today. I checked online last night for a fuel pump repair kit thinking that might be the problem. Evinrude must think that's made out of gold $652.00 is the price, unlike Mercury were you can get a rebuild kit. Evinrude only sales the fuel pump as an complete item. Bastards!!!!

 

[hotdaddy27]

All motors have bad moments.

Sorry to hear about this, you worked hard all winter and really deserve to enjoy your boat.

Was this the same dock that scratched your Pulse? Damn dock.

Good luck.

HD

 

[Rob B]

All motors have bad moments.

Sorry to hear about this, you worked hard all winter and really deserve to enjoy your boat.

Was this the same dock that scratched your Pulse? Damn dock.

Good luck.

HD

Two different docks. I was at the river when the fuel pump went on the pulse170 and the lake yesterday. I would like to have a trouble free summer for once.

 

[JW]

Two different docks. I was at the river when the fuel pump went on the pulse170 and the lake yesterday. I would like to have a trouble free summer for once.

No such thing! 'Boating' and 'trouble-free' are two words that just cannot go into the same sentence!

 

[Rob B]

I found the diagnostic software for my motor online. I'm considering buying it for trouble shooting the motor.

 

[ndaniels]

That sucks to hear about all the trouble you had at the lake. I'm not exactly sure how the fict efi system works... I had carbs. How does the enricher/choke system work on that? Can you check fuel pressure/flow?

How did the boat handle, or did the wind keep the speeds down?

 

[Rob B]

That sucks to hear about all the trouble you had at the lake. I'm not exactly sure how the fict efi system works... I had carbs. How does the enricher/choke system work on that? Can you check fuel pressure/flow?

How did the boat handle, or did the wind keep the speeds down?

I honestly have no idea how the Ficht Fuel Injection system works, guessing the same as the EFI. I've checked all the fuel lines and both filters. I tried again today with the same results, will fire but will not stay cranked. Only when the choke is engaged will the motor stay running. I have absolutely no idea what's wrong, so I'll take it to the Evinrude Dealer sometime this week to have it checked out. I'm prepared for the worse since Envinrude has had problems with this motor from 1999-2001. The wind kept the speeds down, so I really didn't get to open it up.