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'79 Eluder with water poisoning - finally started restoration

No kidding!!!! LOL! I wanted to float the boat out on the lake and unbolt the motor.:brickwall: Thankfully with the help from Brannon the motor runs like a top now.:thumb:

Ha! I'm just imagining you paddling to the middle of the lake with wrench in hand...turn, turn, turn...sploosh...paddle, paddle, paddle...

Kind of reminds me of when my Boss got fired. He was a total disaster and then got a DUI so he couldn't drive. When he got canned, they drove him home and dropped him off. He jumped on his bike and pedaled his butt 13 miles back to work to yell at his former boss. I was secretly impressed by the cold driving rage he must have been harboring to pedal 13 miles and still have the energy to be mad. I was also embarrased as hell for him standing in the parking lot wearing his helmet (safety first!) and yelling profanity...I still laugh out loud when I think about it.


Hi-Jack over.


AWESOME job on the restore!!!
 
Screwed

Well, I took the lower unit to a local marine dealer and had their mechanic look at it. He said it wouldn't be worth repairing, so now that I'm near the end of this project (and running out of funds) I gotta' find a lower unit that's in decent shape (1990 Johnson 200).

DON'T EVER BUY ANYTHING FROM FRANK MATHEWS IN SAVANNAH, GA. :mad:
 
Well, I took the lower unit to a local marine dealer and had their mechanic look at it. He said it wouldn't be worth repairing, so now that I'm near the end of this project (and running out of funds) I gotta' find a lower unit that's in decent shape (1990 Johnson 200).

DON'T EVER BUY ANYTHING FROM FRANK MATHEWS IN SAVANNAH, GA. :mad:

I'll call a guy in the morning that has spare parts for Johnson/ Evinrude and will let you in the tomorrow morning what he's got.
 
I have a lower assembly from a 1990 Johnson 175 GT.

The lower unit housing is in decent shape. I don't know about the gears.
The skeg is clean.
 
GL the guy has a 25" lower unit for a 1989 200HP. I think you need 20" right?


Yes.

I don't know if it would be difficult to swap the shifter rod and drive shaft or not. Ideally it would be nice to get a lower unit that I could just bolt on and use, but often times what's ideal doesn't equal what's available.
 
Yes.

I don't know if it would be difficult to swap the shifter rod and drive shaft or not. Ideally it would be nice to get a lower unit that I could just bolt on and use, but often times what's ideal doesn't equal what's available.

I'll keep looking to see what else is around here.:thumb:
 
Can you PM me some photos and any other information? Do the gears feel ok when you turn the shaft?

thanks

I will get some pics tonight. Its seems to turn with out any abnormal
friction. But, the end play seems a bit much. End play is a little over 1/8"
total in and out.

My motors end play is just about .040 total movement.

My consideration to you, was that the lower case seems to be in good shape if you want to use your gears.
 
I will get some pics tonight. Its seems to turn with out any abnormal
friction. But, the end play seems a bit much. End play is a little over 1/8"
total in and out.

My motors end play is just about .040 total movement.

My consideration to you, was that the lower case seems to be in good shape if you want to use your gears.


Thanks. Also, what do you want for it?
 
GL did you ever find a lower unit? Trey (Caddman) found another person here with parts for older engines. He's suppose to go out there again.
 
Yeah let me know if that one doesnt work out, he had a late 80s 175 that i was looking to get parts off of, the foot looked good on it he has a bunch others too, but im not sure what the status of the lowers were didnt think about you were still looking for one, but I do plan to go back out there possibly next week so let me know if i need to ask!
 
Well, turns out the great purchase I made on ebay wasn't so great after all. Once the lower unit arrived I found that it was a lot older than the guy claimed (I checked the online parts diagrams and OMC started putting an anode in their lower units in '81, this one was pre '81), and even worse than that it was a Left Hand gearcase, and he'd packaged it so poorly a piece of the skeg got broken off during shipping. So now I'm 0 for 2 on major outboard related purchases from ebay. I guess I need to limit ebay purchases to ones that won't piss me off too bad if I get screwed over.

In the meantime my son and I painted the trailer (nothing fancy; we just brushed on RustOleum - but it's way better than before), and I'm slowly getting all the little things finished that are left (mounting hatch covers, fabricating frames for the rear seats and bow seats, rigging and adjusting the Hot Foot, etc. etc. etc. I'm also working on an idea for using parts from the existing ladder and making a small swim platform - we'll see how that turns out. I haven't bothered taking any photos in a while, I need to remember to take a camera to the garage with me.
 
Well, turns out the great purchase I made on ebay wasn't so great after all. Once the lower unit arrived I found that it was a lot older than the guy claimed (I checked the online parts diagrams and OMC started putting an anode in their lower units in '81, this one was pre '81), and even worse than that it was a Left Hand gearcase, and he'd packaged it so poorly a piece of the skeg got broken off during shipping. So now I'm 0 for 2 on major outboard related purchases from ebay. I guess I need to limit ebay purchases to ones that won't piss me off too bad if I get screwed over.

In the meantime my son and I painted the trailer (nothing fancy; we just brushed on RustOleum - but it's way better than before), and I'm slowly getting all the little things finished that are left (mounting hatch covers, fabricating frames for the rear seats and bow seats, rigging and adjusting the Hot Foot, etc. etc. etc. I'm also working on an idea for using parts from the existing ladder and making a small swim platform - we'll see how that turns out. I haven't bothered taking any photos in a while, I need to remember to take a camera to the garage with me.

Damn GL that stinks!!!! I'm still looking around hoping to find a lower unit for you. On the brightside you're just about done.
 
I've been busy the past few weeks ... trying to work on the Eluder as much as possible, plus my kids have been back in school for over 3 weeks so I'm helping with math and science homework a lot. The boat is now basically complete :bounce: with a few little things to attend to which I can get to whenever I get around to it. So..... I took it out for the first time tonight (more about that later..... :pissed: )

First a few of the final touches:

I made a hatch cover for the front bulkhead and got it installed:


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I got tired of my son complaining about putting on ski and wakeboard bindings in the water, so for the Checkmate I cleaned up some of the original swim ladder parts and used them on a swim platform (with the Checkmate logo of course).


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JT Patroni was kind enought to sell me an old lower unit for cheap with the understanding that I was buying a serviceable case and I might end up needing to use the gears out of my other one with a cracked case. When it arrived I spent a lot of time playing with it on my workbench and it felt like the gears were ok so decided to go ahead and try using it as is. I filled some pits it had in it, sanded, sanded, and sanded some more, and primed it and then painted it with lacquer from a spray can. It's not perfect, but certainly passes the 5 foot test.

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And here are a few more photos of the (nearly) finished product:


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I ran the engine on muffs two times last week and it just seemed kind of rough. I know that without any backpressure it won't run the same as when in the water, so I was just kind of hoping it was no big deal. When I put the boat in the water tonight it took awhile but finally cranked, I started backing away from the trailer, and it stalled. So there I sat off the end of the ramp blocking all 3 lanes trying to get it re-fired. It finally started, but idled like crap. I made it over to the dock (with the engine quitting 2 more times in the 100 feet over there), tied up and parked my truck.

Once I made it out of the no wake zone and hit the throttle it was a DOG. Hole shot sucked, acceleration sucked, and top end sucked :brickwall: . The best I could get was about 55 (on the speedo, not GPS, so ???) at 4800 rpm (but it did throw a nice rooster tail :thumb: ). I had good water pressure (25 psi) so I imagine the jack plate can come up some more (center of prop is 3 inches below the pad), but I get the distinct impression that won't help much and that the 25 inch pitch Renegade is too much prop for this engine. Based on what a few others on here have suggested for the Johnson 200 I'm surprised at the horrible performance with this prop. That brings me to something else....

This engine (I found it on ebay of course) was obviously put together from non-matching components. The guy that sold it to me (DON'T EVER BUY ANYTHING FROM FRANK MATHEWS IN SAVANNAH, GA.) claimed that the powerhead is a factory remanufactured unit, but I haven't been able to match any part numbers from it to online parts diagrams so I can't say for sure what I've got. I'm starting to wonder if it's only a 150 .... besides the lack of power with this prop, when I put the lower unit on I wound up having to adjust the shift rod height to match the specs for the 150/175 to get it to shift correctly. Hmmmm????

Meanwhile .... After running up and down a section of the lake a few times getting used to the handling and trying to get a little more speed out of this engine the overheat horn came on, so I backed off the throttle and idled back to the dock (I had good water pressure the whole time). It stalled a couple more times in the no wake zone and was really idling bad now (but the overheat horn did go away). Just as I was getting near the dock it stalled again, I got it running just in time (I thought) to keep from drifting into rocks. It took a lot of throttle just to get it to idle, and just as I was shifting into reverse the engine "caught" (and shifting into reverse at over 3000 rpm ain't good), I heard and felt things I knew weren't good, and all of a sudden I don't have reverse anymore. My son was a hero and jumped in just in time to keep us off the rocks.

Other than the fact that the boat felt very solid at 55, tonight basically sucked. :pissed: Looks like my son will be stuck skiing and wakeboarding behind my little fish-n-ski until I can get the engine sorted out. I did a compression check when we got home and that seemed ok (though lower than I would have thought - between 70 and 80 on all cylinders). One spark plug was way cleaner than it should have been, so tomorrow I'll be checking to see if that cylinder has spark.
 
You're boat is looking great. I'm glad to were able to get your boat on the water for testing. I hope your motor problems are only minor and easily fixed.
 
Jim,

It looks great. Your hard work paid off. Sorry to hear about the motor problems. Hopefully it won't take much to get it squared away.

I didn't think you were going to use the gear set that was in the lower unit. With any luck, you may get a few miles out of them.

Atleast you are now in the water and have a starting point to work with.

I hope you are back in the water soon.
 
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